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        07-21-2013, 09:41 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    I'm not an atheist, so maybe I'm unwelcome in this discussion. But I use to be an atheist until fairly recently. When I was an atheist, nobody messed with me. I never had anyone "shoving their beliefs down my throat." I had people tell me about their religion. I told them about mine (or lack there of.)

    They thought I was wrong. I thought they were wrong. I told them they were wrong. They told me I was wrong. One of us was wrong. Because that's how reality works. My disbelief can't kill God, just as their belief can't create God. Disagreements happen. What constitutes "shoving religion/atheism down someone's throat" versus "I'm not afraid to say what I think because you asked"?

    Tolerance. That's the word everyone likes to use nowadays. "Tolerance" of others beliefs. Tolerance doesn't mean agreement or approval. I believe tolerance means agree to disagree.

    It seems like every time someone states their religious beliefs someone has to get offended. When I was an atheist, I told people straight up I didn't believe in God. I'm a Christian now, and I tell people straight up that I do believe in God and Jesus and the whole Bible shebang. Using the same words and the same tone and the same almost everything. And guess what? People got a lot more pissed off when I spoke about Christianity. It's like they want to get offended. Or don't know what it means to be properly offended. Or what "shove in the face" actually means!

    To have a belief shoved in your face means that you're constantly annoyed and the subject is brought up when the conversation isn't even about religion. If you can't escape it by shutting the door, changing the subject, or walking away, that's shoving. Shoving is bullying, basically.

    I've been properly shoved only once. Ironically, by an atheist shortly after I converted. She messaged me on facebook, texted me daily, and brought it up everyone she saw me. She insulted my intelligence, because Christians are obviously "close minded idiots." *eyeroll* Unless you're dealing with this sort of crap... You aren't having religion shoved in your faces. Your Christian friend who invites you to church and openly says she believes in God isn't shoving anything. Being given a pamphlet in a public place isn't shoving. You can throw that crap away and not even read it. I've been given so many pamphlets I never read I could create a forest. Someone preaching in a public place. Practice with me: put your hands over your eyes and go "la la la la la!" Because we're all adults here, and we have brain filters to shift through the crap we hear.

    Remember: Promote what you love. Don't bash what you hate.


    Ignore my disjointed ranty thingy. I re-read it, and it sounds a little yell-y. The internet poorly translates tone. I'm not mad or yelling.
         
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        07-21-2013, 09:51 PM
      #32
    Showing
    Southern, the number of Atheits is more like 40%. It seems when census is done, there's no little box for Atheist. Alexi, I agree 100%. I would never tell anyone they are delusional for believing in God, or Santa or Tinkerbell, unless really pushed. I believe in allowing others to live their life as they see fit and not passing my beliefs or disbeliefs on anyone. Same with politics. And I expect the same from them. I think most atheists feel that way.
         
        07-21-2013, 10:03 PM
      #33
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
    However, one day he came home from school (kindergarten) with some Creationism leaflets from some visiting Church folk.
    This always irritates me and as a Lutheran I went to a Catholic HS and the nuns were flummoxed when I said what I am about to say.

    Creation, or in this case the idea of creationism, is NOT the same as evolution. To evolve something must first exist even in its simplest elements. Create, or creationism, means bringing those elements into existence. Creationism and evolution are two different concepts even if creationism on its own can't be proven scientifically.

    Those that keep pushing creationism as the only way "we" came in to existence and evolution is all a lie (even though we HAVE scientific proof there that evolution exists and existed) must have missed a lot of basic science classes in their day. :)
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        07-21-2013, 10:07 PM
      #34
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    No, Im pretty sure they mean people barging into your house in the name of "their" god
    I was quoting the original post, but yes anyone who barges in your home is wrong and also to be rude and pushy does not set well with me either

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Southern, the number of Atheits is more like 40%. It seems when census is done, there's no little box for Atheist.
    In the world, 40% is about right.

    Quote:
    At the same time, the number of Americans who say they are atheists rose, from 1 percent to 5 percent.
    In the US 5%, just one of many published articles confirming 5% in the US, several others studies are saying the 4%.

    Atheism Rises, Religiosity Declines In America



    People have the right to believe what they want.... there are overbearing zealots on both sides of the equation.

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        07-21-2013, 10:16 PM
      #35
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
    I'm not an atheist, so maybe I'm unwelcome in this discussion. But I use to be an atheist until fairly recently. When I was an atheist, nobody messed with me. I never had anyone "shoving their beliefs down my throat." I had people tell me about their religion. I told them about mine (or lack there of.)

    They thought I was wrong. I thought they were wrong. I told them they were wrong. They told me I was wrong. One of us was wrong. Because that's how reality works. My disbelief can't kill God, just as their belief can't create God. Disagreements happen. What constitutes "shoving religion/atheism down someone's throat" versus "I'm not afraid to say what I think because you asked"?

    Tolerance. That's the word everyone likes to use nowadays. "Tolerance" of others beliefs. Tolerance doesn't mean agreement or approval. I believe tolerance means agree to disagree.

    It seems like every time someone states their religious beliefs someone has to get offended. When I was an atheist, I told people straight up I didn't believe in God. I'm a Christian now, and I tell people straight up that I do believe in God and Jesus and the whole Bible shebang. Using the same words and the same tone and the same almost everything. And guess what? People got a lot more pissed off when I spoke about Christianity. It's like they want to get offended. Or don't know what it means to be properly offended. Or what "shove in the face" actually means!

    To have a belief shoved in your face means that you're constantly annoyed and the subject is brought up when the conversation isn't even about religion. If you can't escape it by shutting the door, changing the subject, or walking away, that's shoving. Shoving is bullying, basically.

    I've been properly shoved only once. Ironically, by an atheist shortly after I converted. She messaged me on facebook, texted me daily, and brought it up everyone she saw me. She insulted my intelligence, because Christians are obviously "close minded idiots." *eyeroll* Unless you're dealing with this sort of crap... You aren't having religion shoved in your faces. Your Christian friend who invites you to church and openly says she believes in God isn't shoving anything. Being given a pamphlet in a public place isn't shoving. You can throw that crap away and not even read it. I've been given so many pamphlets I never read I could create a forest. Someone preaching in a public place. Practice with me: put your hands over your eyes and go "la la la la la!" Because we're all adults here, and we have brain filters to shift through the crap we hear.

    Remember: Promote what you love. Don't bash what you hate.


    Ignore my disjointed ranty thingy. I re-read it, and it sounds a little yell-y. The internet poorly translates tone. I'm not mad or yelling.

    Great post I could not have said it better and won't try. I agree 100% I wish I could like it twice.
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        07-21-2013, 10:25 PM
      #36
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
    I'm not an atheist, so maybe I'm unwelcome in this discussion. But I use to be an atheist until fairly recently. When I was an atheist, nobody messed with me. I never had anyone "shoving their beliefs down my throat." I had people tell me about their religion. I told them about mine (or lack there of.)

    They thought I was wrong. I thought they were wrong. I told them they were wrong. They told me I was wrong. One of us was wrong. Because that's how reality works. My disbelief can't kill God, just as their belief can't create God. Disagreements happen. What constitutes "shoving religion/atheism down someone's throat" versus "I'm not afraid to say what I think because you asked"?

    Tolerance. That's the word everyone likes to use nowadays. "Tolerance" of others beliefs. Tolerance doesn't mean agreement or approval. I believe tolerance means agree to disagree.

    It seems like every time someone states their religious beliefs someone has to get offended. When I was an atheist, I told people straight up I didn't believe in God. I'm a Christian now, and I tell people straight up that I do believe in God and Jesus and the whole Bible shebang. Using the same words and the same tone and the same almost everything. And guess what? People got a lot more pissed off when I spoke about Christianity. It's like they want to get offended. Or don't know what it means to be properly offended. Or what "shove in the face" actually means!

    To have a belief shoved in your face means that you're constantly annoyed and the subject is brought up when the conversation isn't even about religion. If you can't escape it by shutting the door, changing the subject, or walking away, that's shoving. Shoving is bullying, basically.

    I've been properly shoved only once. Ironically, by an atheist shortly after I converted. She messaged me on facebook, texted me daily, and brought it up everyone she saw me. She insulted my intelligence, because Christians are obviously "close minded idiots." *eyeroll* Unless you're dealing with this sort of crap... You aren't having religion shoved in your faces. Your Christian friend who invites you to church and openly says she believes in God isn't shoving anything. Being given a pamphlet in a public place isn't shoving. You can throw that crap away and not even read it. I've been given so many pamphlets I never read I could create a forest. Someone preaching in a public place. Practice with me: put your hands over your eyes and go "la la la la la!" Because we're all adults here, and we have brain filters to shift through the crap we hear.

    Remember: Promote what you love. Don't bash what you hate.


    Ignore my disjointed ranty thingy. I re-read it, and it sounds a little yell-y. The internet poorly translates tone. I'm not mad or yelling.

    To the question posed, the answer is IN the question and it's 'being asked'. I, personally, feel that being asked (after you've expressed you aren't interested in the religion) to attend church IS shoving (especially if you're asked more than once). Standing on a street corner / train / bus stop / etc. and 'spreading the word of Jesus' is shoving. Giving me a pamphlet that tells me I'm going to rot in hell if I don't repent my sins IS shoving. Someone preaching in a public place? I'm on the fence. With the intent of addressing like minded people, go ahead. With the intent to convert? Shoving. Coming into my place of work, where I'm paid to be polite? Definitely shoving.

    I shouldn't have to tell customers 'no, sorry, I'm not interested in your religion' when I go to work, I shouldn't have to find a trash bin for their pamphlets on the train or the bus, I should be able to go about my day without being converted because I didn't ask to be converted, I didn't ask about their religion, and I didn't offer to tell them all about the ways of the non-believer.

    I'm not constantly annoyed by the topic of religion, I talk to my Catholic friend about her religion often, but I ask and she tells, she knows I don't believe and she doesn't question that but she's happy to satisfy my curiosity. Of course there are going to be nasty atheists too, there are 'nasties' in any group, but just because one person is rude doesn't mean another has to be too.
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        07-21-2013, 10:32 PM
      #37
    Trained
    I agree with Brighteyes too.

    Atheists and Religious people are all prone to suffering the same condition which is human nature... Which means that they will twist their beliefs and the content thereof to suit themselves then impose it on others to get their way.

    Until that stops the world will remain the same...
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        07-21-2013, 10:34 PM
      #38
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    Standing on a street corner / train / bus stop / etc. and 'spreading the word of Jesus' is shoving.

    Giving me a pamphlet that tells me I'm going to rot in hell if I don't repent my sins IS shoving.

    Someone preaching in a public place? I'm on the fence.
    Standing on a Street corner or other Public place is shoving?

    Giving you a pamphlet is shoving? People hand out flyers and pamplet about 100's of things, say thank you and throw it in the trash

    Your last sentence really contradicts your 1st one


    What about Atheists suing everyone for any mention of praying or God (our money says in God we Trust, maybe quit using money then), and the real kicker - demanding we do not say Merry Christmas and instead we must say Happy Holidays.... that is not shoving?... OK, whatever

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        07-21-2013, 10:40 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    I don't care if someone says "merry Christmas". I don't care if someone says "happy holidays". I'm just happy that someone said something pleasant, even if walmart's paying them to do it.
    The difference between a Christian fanatic phamplet being handed out and one for a local business or college is that the second one isn't going to tell me that I'll rot for an eternity because I happen to be bisexual.
    The "happy holidays" pushers are most likely the pushy atheists.
    There's bad apples in every group.
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        07-21-2013, 10:49 PM
      #40
    Yearling
    I don't believe there is a "God", I don't believe in heaven and hell. I also don't go around announcing this fact because to each their own. My fiance occasionally will go to church and take my daughter with him if she wants to go.I don't tell him not to, if he chooses to believe, who am I to try and change his mind. If daughter chooses to believe, that is her choice.

    I have people stop me at work all the time and invite me to different churches. Am I rude and tell them I don't believe in god? No, because I am not trying to talk about my lack of religion with anyone who thinks otherwise. I am polite and smile and nod my head untill they go on their way. If it brightens their day to invite people to church, then I sure do not want to steal thier sunshine.

    When people knock on my door and want to talk to me about Jesus coming to save my sins, again, I smile and nod my head AMD send them on thier happy little way.

    Who am I to judge these people for what they believe in, and I smile and nod because I surely don't want them to judge me either. If they want to leave me thinking wow she was a nice sweet woman, them I am proud to say that I am a good person. Who needs judgement flying around persuading people's emotions about other people. It sure doesnt have a place in my world.

    If I am flat out asked if I believe, then I will tell you no. If you ask why, I will explain my reasoning, but I don't volunteer the information. I don't run down the road screaming I don't believe in god and you shouldn't either. That's just uncalled for, and the shoe fits both ways.
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