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        07-21-2013, 11:51 PM
      #41
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    How is it contradictory? You can be in public practicing your religion all you want. As soon as you start actively trying to convert me, I consider it shoving.
         
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        07-21-2013, 11:52 PM
      #42
    Yearling
    As far as saying merry Christmas, I tell people merry Christmas. I know it is a religious holiday, but I was raised in a christian home, and I try to keep some respect for the people around me.
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        07-22-2013, 12:01 AM
      #43
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by SouthernTrailsGA    
    Standing on a Street corner or other Public place is shoving?

    Giving you a pamphlet is shoving?


    What about Atheists suing everyone for any mention of praying or God (our money says in God we Trust, maybe quit using money then), and the real kicker - demanding we do not say Merry Christmas and instead we must say Happy Holidays.... that is not shoving?... OK, whatever

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    believe it or not, im really really uncomfortable with people shoving pamphlets and stuff. You know those tables outside of walmart? They are asking donations for recovery centers, veterans, girl scouts etc? I feel anxious and upset when I go past them. Sometimes, like when im curious and ask whats going on, that's one thing. Covering all exits and attacking me going in and out is another. THAT is shoving. :(

    As for sue happy people...its about the same as those able bodied people that go around looking for places wihout wheelchair ramps, to sue. D-bags, IMO. Nothing wrong with a moment of silence in schools to meditate, pray, or think about Legos at recess. The only problem is when you apply force.

    My Dds dad tries to enforce prayer, and it makes her really uncomfortable. By trying to force people, they just get pushed further away. I told her to nap instead lol.

    But yeah, I don't have any reapect for ugly, angry, overzealous athiests, any more than ugly, angry, overzealous religious people. Take a chill pill, already. ;)
         
        07-22-2013, 12:09 AM
      #44
    Trained
    For me it depends on the situation.

    If they knock on my door and won't go away, I'll tell them I'm a LaVeyan Satanist and try to convert them. (If anyone's curious: LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) I think my speech needs work though, because I can't ever get anyone to listen to all of it.

    If they're in another setting, I try to debate with them and see how much I can get them doubting themselves.

    Of course, neither happens if they listen to my "No, thank you" that I start out with.**

    ** Unless it's my mother, who is a pastor, in which case I just try to be polite. She's my mom after all.
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        07-22-2013, 12:33 AM
      #45
    Showing
    I've had evangelicals make a point of handing me their literature, have been invited to sit at my table in a busy restaurant only to rudely interrupt conversation so they can pray over their toast. Waitress no long politely waits. I am continually invited to attend their church and get phone calls to watch religious programs on tv. I have always been polite. They ignore the No Visitor sign at the hospital and go in anyway so they can pray over someone. I feel my breaking point is nearing. One woman had a peace bond put on one woman. She can neither phone nor approach within 100'. It's a sad state of affairs when it gets to this point.
         
        07-22-2013, 12:40 AM
      #46
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    How is it contradictory? You can be in public practicing your religion all you want. As soon as you start actively trying to convert me, I consider it shoving.


    Actively converting? That pamphlet isn't going to behead you if you don't read it. Don't wanna waste your time trying to throw it away? Let the people trying to give it to you that you REALLY aren't interested. If they press, tell them to leave you the hell alone. If they don't leave you the hell alone, you have a case. I'll give it to you; that's shoving, and I apologize if that ever happens to you.

    But no one can convert you. No one can make up your mind and force you to believe anything. That's why when people complain that they're having something "forced upon them", I just laugh. Because unless there's a "convert or ELSE!" and a threat of some sort, there isn't any force involved. Sure it's uber annoying, but "forced" and "shoved" is a little dramatic.

    Christian need to learn this too. People convert themselves. People make their own decisions. Christians don't save people; people save themselves. If someone does not want, they DO NOT WANT. Wipe the dust from your feet and move on. (That's in the Bible!) Worry about yourself, Christians-who-annoy-the-crap-out-of-people. If you feel like to need to "save" people to feel good about yourselves, you have a spiritual problem. Plant the seed and let it grow on its own accord. If people wanted religion in this age of easy to access information, they have the opportunities to seek it themselves.

    But in today's world everyone has got to learn to not be offended by crap that doesn't even matter. If you (general you; I'm not attacking you or anything, Alexis. Feel the internet love!) can't tune people out, you have a problem. It's like in grade school and that kid told you that you were a fat, ugly cow. It isn't true, so why does it matter to you?

    I understand being sensitive and getting upset. I feel really pressured when I pass by donation stands outside of Walmart and give them no money. But those people get passed up by hundreds of people a day. I'm just one, and they won't hate me for it. Or even remember me, for that matter. Once I realized the only one who cared was me, I stopped caring. And then NO ONE cared!

    ^^ Was that even related? Only a little. I'm just insecure too. <33
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        07-22-2013, 12:49 AM
      #47
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    What about "repent now or spend eternity in the lake of fire", is that a 'convert or else'? Using (or attempting to use) fear as a lever is going a little above and beyond, I think.

    Honestly, it is my opinion (that I am entitled to ) that people coming into public places and trying to get me to 'make the switch' IS shoving. If you don't think it's shoving then GREAT, that's your opinion and you can have it, it doesn't hurt me.
         
        07-22-2013, 12:57 AM
      #48
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    Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
    Actively converting? That pamphlet isn't going to behead you if you don't read it. Don't wanna waste your time trying to throw it away? Let the people trying to give it to you that you REALLY aren't interested. If they press, tell them to leave you the hell alone. If they don't leave you the hell alone, you have a case. I'll give it to you; that's shoving, and I apologize if that ever happens to you.

    But no one can convert you. No one can make up your mind and force you to believe anything. That's why when people complain that they're having something "forced upon them", I just laugh. Because unless there's a "convert or ELSE!" and a threat of some sort, there isn't any force involved. Sure it's uber annoying, but "forced" and "shoved" is a little dramatic.

    Christian need to learn this too. People convert themselves. People make their own decisions. Christians don't save people; people save themselves. If someone does not want, they DO NOT WANT. Wipe the dust from your feet and move on. (That's in the Bible!)

    But in today's world everyone has got to learn to not be offended by crap that doesn't even matter. If you (general you; I'm not attacking you or anything, Alexis. Feel the internet love!) can't tune people out, you have a problem. It's like in grade school and that kid told you that you were a fat, ugly cow. It isn't true, so why does it matter to you?

    I understand being sensitive and getting upset. I feel really pressured when I pass by donation stands outside of Walmart and give them no money. But those people get passed up by hundreds of people a day. I'm just one, and they won't hate me for it. Or even remember me, for that matter. Once I realized the only one who cared was me, I stopped caring. And then NO ONE cared!

    ^^ Was that even related? Only a little. I'm just insecure too. <33

    Let's put it another way. Unless someone has said they are open to being approached, it's shoving -- because its unwanted and unwelcome and offputting to have to deal with it. Yes you can tell someone to take their little pamphlet and shove it, but why should you have to deal with it in the first place if you haven't expressed a desire to learn about the religion? It's like an unwanted telemarketing call but at your door!
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        07-22-2013, 01:02 AM
      #49
    Green Broke
    I do hate when Christians do that. It's against the religion. That isn't how Jesus spread the word. Hell, a lot of what people try to do to Christianity isn't "what the good book said" at all. Especially in the areas of the church and ministry.

    But that's another rant for another day!

    The awesome thing is, you don't believe in the lake of fire and that kind of manipulation has no effect on you. So life long and prosper, Alexis. If anyone uses fear against you or anyone else, you have my blessing to tell them to piss off. Because they need a "ur doing wrong" smack in the face.

    Wrong or right, we're always confronted with belief systems that conflict with each other. In public, in private. Everywhere. People will annoy the hell out of you and there is no way to stop it. It's an inconvenient world, but there's no need to let it ruin your day.

    (PS: I hate pamphlets too. That annoyed atheist me to a rage. And annoys Christian me even more because I know everyone hates it.)

    The best way for Christians and atheists a like to keep strong is to know what you believe. Keep an open mind, but not so much your brain's falling out. You're a sifter, not a sponge!

    (I'll stop now. I love to talk.)
         
        07-22-2013, 02:48 AM
      #50
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
    Let's put it another way. Unless someone has said they are open to being approached, it's shoving -- because its unwanted and unwelcome and offputting to have to deal with it. Yes you can tell someone to take their little pamphlet and shove it, but why should you have to deal with it in the first place if you haven't expressed a desire to learn about the religion? It's like an unwanted telemarketing call but at your door!
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    You're in public and have to expect to be approached, just politely tell them you're not interested and keep moving or ignore them and keep moving. It's no different then a local store trying to hand you a sale flyer, girl scouts asking if you want to buy cookies or the local whatever club trying to get you to pull in for a car wash fund raiser. If those activities don't equally piss you off then I think it's time to take a really hard long think on why.
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