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        11-23-2012, 07:06 PM
    Just to be safe you might want to consult your doctor or a nutritionist before making such a drastic change to your diet. Good luck with whatever you decide to do! :)
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        11-23-2012, 09:09 PM
    I was a vegetarian for many years before I got married. The "sausage man" came out to a ranch I was on to slaughter an injured cow. I did not see it, but I smelled it. That did it for me for years to come - for all meat. Since I do not eat fish of any kind, I ate no meat of any kind and I didn't feel any different healthwise, what-so-ever. Its hard to do that w a family, though. After I got married we raised our own (mostly to clean the pasture), my husband would pick out a cow and call her "t-bone", which always got me upset and made me wish I wasn't "involved" in the demise of any cattle. I try pretty hard to buy "range fed" when possible, including eggs and tg turkeys. It takes more effort to do this, but it is getting more and more popular b/c of demand, hence, less of a hassle. I think that is a real positive and I feel good to help add to that "demand". Its a compromise of sorts.
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        11-23-2012, 11:13 PM
    Originally Posted by Joe4d    
    I agree its probably better for the planet if more people ate more plants and less meat. Also probably healthier. That being said its also better for the planet and healthier if we all ate alot more insects. They are actually pretty good for you and plentiful..
    But they don't have many vegetarian dishes at Hooters, and I really like chicken wings.
    Dining on insects: Anyone for crickets...? - News - Food & Drink - The Independent
        11-23-2012, 11:45 PM
    Joe you crack me up!! And Delfina, hooray for you for raising your own - we just recently started doing the same thing. Had animals for years, all pets but I decided (after trying someone else's meat that was home grown) that I had to do it too - just chickens right now, but boy do they taste good when you know where they came from!

    KeepCalm, I have quite a few friends who are vegan/veggies - some of which are very healthy people, some are not but I think if you do your research and make sure you are getting a balanced diet in the mix somewhere, I don't see why you couldn't be successful. I say this as I eat my medium rare filet mignon! LOL!

    One of the folks I knew always had bad skin/acne, dandruff/oily hair, was underweight and always immuno-suppressed. She lived off of tofu and would only eat white vegetables (rice and cauliflour and potatoes). That was a bit extreme - so again, just make sure you research your options and find a proper way of doing it to stay healthy.
        11-24-2012, 02:19 AM
    My sister is a sometimes vegetarian who dabbles in veganism.. I say go for it if that's what you want to do. I actually have to commend the true vegans because it is not an easy thing do.. with all of the animal bits used in everyday mundane things (vitamins, makeup ect).

    Just please respect those of us who do choose to eat meat:)

    As for not eating meat because you hate killing a living thing...Thats laughable..Plants ARE LIVING things.. just because they cannot scream or defend themselves or posess brains does not mean they have any less of a will to live. Its proven they florish when interacted with (like talking to them) and there have been studies that have shown that they can react (though not visibly) to stimulus. Hell onions making you cry is a defense mechanism.. Bottom line: Plants want to survive just as much as anything else, If they didn't, they wouldn't reproduce, or lay dormant (seeds) for years waiting for the right growing conditions,or be able to turn sunlight into food...jus' saying'
        11-24-2012, 06:24 AM
    Originally Posted by peppersgirl    
    As for not eating meat because you hate killing a living thing...Thats laughable..Plants ARE LIVING things.. just because they cannot scream or defend themselves or posess brains does not mean they have any less of a will to live. Its proven they florish when interacted with (like talking to them) and there have been studies that have shown that they can react (though not visibly) to stimulus. Hell onions making you cry is a defense mechanism.. Bottom line: Plants want to survive just as much as anything else, If they didn't, they wouldn't reproduce, or lay dormant (seeds) for years waiting for the right growing conditions,or be able to turn sunlight into food...jus' saying'
    I get this a lot, what I meant by living is it having a face. Lol. That sound like odd reasoning maybe but when people ask me what I would eat I would reply "Anything that never had or could have had a face" Meaning an egg that might have been fertilized, if for say, the egg was 100% not (we have no roosters with our hens.), I'll eat it. Because otherwise its just going to rot.
        11-24-2012, 08:41 AM
    Green Broke
    I've been pretty much vegan for five years. Vegans technically don't use leather or eat honey and I do both. And I've been vegetarian all my life. I became a vegan because I didn't like the idea of eating animals if I liked them, but then I realised the conditions they live in to produce other products is, by my personal beliefs, unethical. And therefore I find it difficult to support. I'm not perfect, but I try to do what I believe in.

    I don't think its hard at all. I've met so many people who say that they would have been vegan except the doctor said this or that, or they were lacking etc. The thing is, a lot of people who become vegetarian just remove meat from their diet, but don't change anything else. That's not the way it works. Tofu or other meat "substitutes" aren't things that you just replace meat with. You start eating more grains, legumes, vegetables etc. I hardly eat tofu, and only will have soy if I really need a milk substitute. There is hardly any essential vitamin or mineral that you cannot get from a vegetarian or vegan diet - but people can't be bothered to go to the effort to eat properly. It certainly is much easier for some to just eat meat.

    I've never had any problem being vegan, and I've traveled through Europe and Asia. I'm not one of those super strict vegans who freak out over everything, but I'll never deliberately consume meat or dairy.

    The thing is, in the end you're accountable only to yourself. If you truly believe something is bad or wrong and you have a reasonable choice to avoid it then I think you should do it.

    I have friends that drive me insane, they say they are complete animal lovers and would never, ever hurt an animal etc and yet they eat meat. They think that because they are removed from the process they aren't responsible for it. Yet I believe that, especially in this day and age, our consumer power is some of the strongest influence we can have. I think that unless a person is willing to go and kill, skin and prepare an animal themselves they shouldn't eat it.

    Many people are prepared to kill animals. And many people raise animals for meat, hunt etc and while I wouldn't do this, I think this is a much better way to do things. If you can't bring yourself to give up your desire for meat, then perhaps think of some other options. Some places have options where you can buy directly from the farmer, reducing distress for the animal. Or there are free range chicken meats, animals kept in more ethical conditions etc.

    Anyway, I hope I don't come off as a crazy person! I've long since accepted that other people are always going to eat meat, but I still like to advocate for veganism! Good luck with whatever you choose to do, and if you need any advice feel free to pm me :)
        11-24-2012, 09:00 AM
    Be careful, Saskia. You're skating very close to the edge of intolerance for others. Your ideology may work for you and that's great, but stop trying to shove it down the throats of people who choose otherwise.

    Except for a very few lucky people who have the land, most folks don't have the ability to raise their own food. So by your opinion they should be forced into a vegan lifestyle because they CAN'T do it? Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

    Also, buying from local slaughterhouses isn't cheap, and the majority of people don't have a lot of disposable income to fritter away.
        11-24-2012, 09:19 AM
    Green Broke
    I said many people wouldn't kill an animal - I do think that if an individual thinks that killing a chicken is so awful they can't watch it - then they shouldn't be eating it. I was just trying to explain that everyone is accountable to themselves and in life you have to own your choices and actions. If someone thinks that eating meat is fine then that's fine for them. I don't try to change people's minds. It's pointless and it's not my place. But in this case this person doesn't think it is fine and is thinking about other options, which I was trying to help them with by sharing my perspective.

    Sure, not everyone can afford to buy local meat etc - but if people care about this issue then they'll find the money or they won't eat it. If they don't care about the issue then it wouldn't be a problem in the first place. I'm not saying everyone should do this, I was just saying that, in my mind, these are some steps to support what the poster is interested in without going all the way. In this society it's cheaper being a vegan.

    But anyway this thread wasn't about the average person eating meat, it was about someone thinking about going vegetarian/vegan and discussing it. So its hardly shoving it down someones throat. If you'd like to look through my previous posts (which I'm sure you don't because that would be super boring) you would see that I have very rarely, if ever, mentioned veganism or vegetarianism.

    All in all, I didn't mean to offend anyone. Just offering one of many perspectives. Hope I didn't rub you too wrong Speedracer
        11-24-2012, 09:25 AM
    Green Broke
    I grew up on a farm. Butchering the livestock for food is what you did. I even remember plucking the feathers off chickens. I'm sorry, but that rooster deserved to die for chasing me around the yard.
    I also lived with a vegetarian for several years, and was very nearly vegetarian myself. I only ate fish and poultry, and did that sparingly. I did feel a lot better and more energetic then.
    Just remember that vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean healthy. Several of my vegan friends have been told by their doctors they have to take supplements or start adding meat to their diets. Also, a lot of prepared vegetarian & vegan dishes have a high sodium content. Be prepared to make your own meals a lot. The vegetarian and healthy choices for convenience foods is pretty limited.
    IMO changing your diet as a political statement is not the best way to incite change. I think there are things you could do which would be far more effective than that. Food is fuel and should be view that way.
    I do think that we could all do with a little less meat though, and would probably be better for it.
    Do your research and consult your doctor? Best of luck!

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