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View Poll Results: Is it right to put a ban on Pit Bulls?
Yes! 7 15.91%
No! 22 50.00%
Undecided on the Issue 7 15.91%
I think they are just misunderstood.... 8 18.18%
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post #21 of 69 Old 07-27-2008, 01:15 PM
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Watch her as she bends over almost backwards to lick.. .errr.. chew this baby's face off!!

See her demonstrate feats of docile.. err.. demonic behavior!

Gaze upon her beautiful face.... err... fangs.

STAND BACK! This pup is lazy... err... ferocious!

Watch as she dozes calmly... err... SPRINGS TO ATTACK MODE!

Alright, enough. I hope I didn't offend or mock anyone with these captions, that wasn't my intention. I am all for pits. Every single pit I have ever come into contact with have always been the sweetest pup. Keena is a 70lb lap dog. She is the sweetest girl ever.

I would trust Keena around my son MORE than those small little demonic ankle biters.

Here's a little something I found. Notice the #1 dog, and then where is the pit ranked? Yea, even the Akita ranked higher than the pit.

"Dachshunds were at the top of the list of 33 breeds ranked for aggressive tendencies. According to a study published recently in Applied Animal Behaviour Science, a journal published by the Dutch group Elsevier, one in five Dachshunds have bitten or tried to bite strangers, a similar number have attacked other dogs; and one in 12 have snapped at their owners. The sample group included 6,000 people and their dogs.

According to the study, the top 10 aggressive dogs are:

1. Dachshund
2. Chihuahua
3. Jack Russell Terrier
4. Akita
5. Australian Cattle Dog
6. Pit Bull
7. Beagle
8. English Springer Spaniel
9. Border Collie
10. German Shepherd"

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post #22 of 69 Old 07-27-2008, 02:23 PM
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I've grown up around Pit Bulls. Aren't they also known as the American Staffordshire Terrier? I love the breed. I think they are beautiful. But misunderstood. Human error is what makes some mean.

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post #23 of 69 Old 07-27-2008, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by barefoothooves
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
How about we start something called the "Small Dog Owners Need To Teach Their Dogs Manners" movement, please?
I've seen more aggressive small dogs (think poodles, Shi-Tzus.. I have no idea how to spell that..etc.) than big dogs. The owners don't do any training because they can just force the dog around.
My Rottie is very well trained - but she HAS to be. Any mishaps from her (being an "attack dog" breed) may lead to her being put down, which I couldn't stand, so Rich and I had to lay down a solid foundation on her.
I still stand firmly on my view that it's not the dog that's the problem, it's the owner.
HAVING SAID THAT, there are "bad seeds." I believe that animals, just like humans, can be "wired" strangely, and they can be not right in the head. Those dogs can be dangerous... but it can happen just as easily to a Pittbull as with a Lab.
I personally have heard of more dog bites from "gentle" breeds than "aggressive" breeds.
Agreed! And can we teach children how to address strange dogs and not to provoke them? I HATE that parents let kids run up screaming to a strange dog and get in it's face and even if the dog tries to retreat the kid just keeps on and on until the dog finally snaps...I understand kids don't always udnerstand it,, but the parents need to teach them that not all dogs want to be petted and they should ASK to pet a dog before doing and pay attention to their kids. Can we make a leash law for them? LOL

When I was growing up, Mom didn't let me pet a strangers dog without asking or being offered first. I wasn't allowed to trespass to see a puppy and I wasn't allowed to wake up our own dogs.She told me to think about what I was doing to the dog and ask myself "would YOU want your sister to do that to you? Well, the dog doesn't want it either, so when they try to go away, let them" Or "how would you feel if someone dumped dirt on top of your head? (or whatever dumb thing a kid would do to an animal)" .
And how! Many children provoke the attack.
There was a whole segment on "When Good Pets Go Bad" on Spike TV - I couldn't watch it. The people who got hurt well deserved it. I don't wish ill on anyone, but I sure as heck won't feel sorry for you when Mr Nice Rottie decides for you that you won't have kids, because you thought it would be cute to teach him a stupid trick.

Edited to add:
Note - I do not LET Vikky get into those situations! Although she is well-trained, I put her on leash when another dog comes around in the off-leash area, because I cannot guarantee nothing will happen - the other dog might attack Vikky and she'll defend herself; and she'd get the rap for it because of her breed. I take precautions to not let her get into a scenerio where anything could happen.

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post #24 of 69 Old 07-27-2008, 09:18 PM
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Wow, okay.
Misunderstood much?
Pit bulls were not bred to be vicious to other animals.
Any dog whatsoever can harm any one or thing. It is all in how you train them. My pit bull, Fenway, was trained correctly, and he has never bitten anyone or even given anyone the wrong look. He wouldn't hurt a fly. That dog has children running around him and he could care less.
Its all in the training...
Just like it is with horses, "There isn't any bad horses just bad horsemen."
Can't it be like that for dogs?
If they ban pit bulls, dog fighters will just pick another breed, like rottweilers so to say to fight. Why ban the breed when you can ban the sport?

Sorry to sound...mean, or whatev, but this is a sore spot with me and my family.

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post #25 of 69 Old 07-27-2008, 09:33 PM
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I kind of get the same rap with Chief, our German Shepherd puppy. There's a woman that won't even step foot into our store just because she knows there's a german shepherd in here. He's behind a secure counter and he usually just relaxes in his crate anyways.

When i was fostering kittens, there was a poster on an elevator door saying that close to 80% of dog attacks are NOT by pit bulls.
It's all in how you raise them.
I know a woman when i worked in a kennel who has a pit bull, and she's just the sweetest thing, yet there were labs and goldens that were biters and we had to be extra cautious.

I've been bitten by dogs, one was by my own lab, another was by a border collie, and another was by a rottie mix (but that was my fault because i put my hand in the way before she went after a cat.)

It's all how you raise the dog. You could have the #1 dog in america (lab) and train it to bite and everything.
Pit bulls get a bad rap for careless owners who don't bother training them the proper way, or who see them as a way to make money.

I find this to be an interesting article by Cesar Millan.
And if you've seen episodes of Cesar, you know that he has rehabilitated dog aggressive dogs, and has a bunch of pit bulls that were as he calls them "red zone cases" and they are now happily living with other dogs and people can come in there.

Don't judge the breed by the news.
I remember reading about a golden retriever who killed a child, but they don't have a bad rap.

Harlee is right about the horses.
"There isn't any bad horses just bad horsemen."
If we are all horsemen and horsewomen here, we should really understand this.

just my 2 cents
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Touched nerves much?

Thanks for expressing yourself guys, I agree, I do not think
there should be a ban on the breed, and some of you have
voiced some amazing opinions on the subject, i appreciate it!

It's been awhile, but I'm back & back in the saddle!
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post #27 of 69 Old 07-28-2008, 08:25 AM
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I voted no

Why? It's NOT the breed that is's the way some were brought up. If you mistreat a dog and teach them to be vicious at a young age. then they'll probably attack someone later on whether it is a Pit Bull, Lab, Collie, Pomeranian, or any other breed.
Because of Pit Bull attacks, the media has given the title of "agressive", "mean", and whatever to the breed....but they don't realize that it isn't the breed's doing.

There's a dog rescue that deals in the Bully breeds....Pit Bulls is one of them. Their slogan is "Ban the DEED not the breed". And I agree. There is no need to ban the breed when it can easily start up again yet with another breed like a lab. And it can continue to grow until all breeds are banned.

My boss at work has a 2 year old Pit Bull and he's the sweetest thing ever. Crazy, yes....lots of energy, yes.....aggressive, definately not!! He's the sweetest puppy ever but everyone is afraid of him because of his breed.
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post #28 of 69 Old 07-28-2008, 10:38 AM
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I think the focus should be on who should be allowed to own certain types of dogs??? Here recently in VA an elderly women and her dog were killed by a pack of pitbulls. Anytime dogs are allowed to run in a pack environment, they can become very dangerous very quickly because they feed off of each others agression. In this case the women that owned the dogs was a piece of crap and new there was a problem and did nothing about it and then tried to deny she owned the dogs. She's in jail for manslaughter I think.

Anyway... I believe that the focus should always be on the owner. I had a dog that had issues, she was a siberian husky, I treated her with love and she still was agressive enough that, at the time we lived in a townhouse and I didnt think it was a safe place to keep a dog like that, so I gave her to my brother because he had alot of land and the time to put into her, that's called being a responsible owner, seeing and problem and taking measures to fix it. I live next door to my brother but he still has the evil devil dog... he loves her...

Anyway... did I mention the focus should be on the owner and not the dog???LMAO...
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post #29 of 69 Old 07-28-2008, 11:00 AM
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I don't know for sure....but I do believe there are a lot of breeds who "could" be more aggressive than other have to look at each breed and research what that breed was bred for originally. Some breeds just take a more experienced owner/handler in my opinion. And there are way too many people these days (i.e.these young boys and men in gangs) that have Pit Bulls for the wrong reasons. Most make great pets!
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post #30 of 69 Old 07-30-2008, 09:19 AM
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My two cents. No breed should be banned for simply being.

Pits were originally bred as family and children. People took that protective trait and twisted it to suit their selfish fighting. In a study of 100 dogs most likely to attack, the PIt was in the bottom 5%. You hear about more PIt attacks than anything else, because they're the most commonly reported. I don't think it's fair to punish the dog for man's mistake. 'Punish the deed, not the breed.' I have had Pit mixes in the past, and would not be against a full Pit. I think they're wonderful and loyal dogs. People really need to take time to understand the Pit before they talk trash about them. I had my face torn open by a Pit mix when I was younger...and I know full well it was my fault, not the dogs. I tried to step in and break up a dog fight (stupid idea anyway, regardless of the dogs involved) and the dog lunged, I got in the way. my fault. whatever. I will not blame the dog for my actions.

when he was 4, my brother had his stomach ripped open by our neighbors....Cocker Spaniel. one of the most aggressive dogs I've ever met, to date. It charged him, jumped him, knocked him down, and ripped him open. In our own yard.

anyway. there's my thoughts on the matter
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