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    View Poll Results: Is it right to put a ban on Pit Bulls?
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        08-21-2008, 01:45 PM
      #61
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geewillikers
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Snapple122
    I don't see it as highly offensive.. she wasn't talking about you guys in particular.
    Pit bulls can turn on you in a second. I've heard stories of pits attacking their own owners, without being provoked in any way.
    I saw a few pictures on this thread with a baby on the floor with a pit bull.. it almost made me sick.
    That dog could have attacked that baby in a second.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loc...,7163330.story
    Read this story and you'll think twice about trusting a dog like that with a baby
    Pit Bulls are bred to fight.. it is not the owners fault.. it is in their blood.
    YES, what was said was racist, and prejudice. I am highly offended. It doesn't matter if someone is targeting you specifically with a derogatory word, or racial slur. The term "redneck" is racist. Categorizing pit bull owners as drug dealers, rednecks, and wanna-be rap stars needs checking. Labels are what keep this country in the racial and prejudice divide. If you group people into stereotypes, and call them "crappy" you need to be checked. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the thread, but the thread did not ask "List all the racial and stereotyping associated with pit bulls". You, of course, are welcome to having ill feelings about pit bulls. No problem there, But, defending such comments, especially form a moderator, is in my eyes, ignorant.
    I don't think that comment was at all racist. I understand that some people may have been offended by it. I believe I read 2 apoligies by the poster that included further explanation in the point she was trying to get across and so I think we can all move on.

    I also agree with that post in that there is a certain type of person that is drawn to these and other "tough" dogs for the wrong reasons. Yes, there are kind and loving people that also own these dogs. But... there are alot of bad people that own these dogs, and there are a ton of publicized attacks related to these dogs. I did read yesterday about a boxer/pit mix that saved some kittens... but you don't see that very often.

    As a parent, I'm going to keep my kid safe by not owning a pit, he won't be allowed to play with on either. Better safe then sorry. I gave my brother a husky because she was a killer of small animals and a biter. I gave her a good home and good training and she still had issues, because of that one dog, huskys are off my list. Never again. Is it fair to the breed? Maybe not. But it's my opinion.
         
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        08-21-2008, 03:59 PM
      #62
    Weanling
    OK... I did NOT read what everyone wrote before... but I have something to say... NOW:

    1. Pit Bulls were never BRED to be killers. They were bred to be extremely loyal to their owners. They were originally bred as protectors and friends. And it was only when the wrong people decided to use them for bull baiting (a cruel sport that is now outlawed everywhere) that they got the name of Pit Bulls.

    2. Did you know that Pit Bulls were the most sought after breed up until the 1990's? Now... tell me the truth: was that because the dog was a vicious killer? Or because it was a good, loyal, loving dog?

    3. I have owned quite a few Pit Bull mixes, and have been around and cared for several pure blood Pit Bulls. Several came from "not so good" homes and backgrounds, and yet, they were still loving dogs.

    4. Guess what the most dangerous dog out there is? Dachshund. NOT Pit Bull, Rottweiler, Akita, or one of those dogs. But a Dachshund. Just because a dachshund, chihuahua, or jack russel doesn't have the same bite strength as a pit bull, doesn't mean it's less vicious, or less dangerous.

    5. The problem has NEVER been with the dog, but with the owner. Labradors and Golden Retrievers have been known to be VICIOUS and VERY dangerous dogs, in the wrong hands. Oftentimes, people see something that LOOKS dangerous, or something that has had a bad rep in the press due to incompetent training or ownership, and then everyone freaks out, and begins screaming.

    6. I watched a show called "Man-Eaters", and it was talking about dogs and dog attacks in this particular episode. When it was talking about attacks... it WASN'T the PITS that were attacking (but labradors, german shepherds, even border collies). In fact, in one of the cases, a Pit Bull had actually saved this kid's life by taking the brunt of the other dogs' attacks, and through that, allowing the kid to escape.

    7. Many people blame the dog for complete incompetence. Over half of the attacks (in kind, decent homes) were due to lack of training and control (they let the dog do whatever), and not teaching the kids to stay away from the dog's food or toys. A lot of times, a dog has a specific toy that it likes best, and so it will protect it, just like it would a specific owner. And so, the kid, selfishly, decides that it wants the toy, so it goes over and tries to take it. And then, when the dog snaps at the kid (perhaps getting a bit too close and taking off a bit of skin), the kid screams, so everybody assumes that the dog "attacked" the kid. When in actuality, the kid was the one "attacking" the dog.


    I'm not saying that some dogs weren't bred more aggressively, and that you should just pick up any old pit bull mutt off the street, and expect it to be a good housepet. I'm also not saying that dogs need absolutely no handling or training. In fact, quite the opposite. It's never the dog's fault. But the handler's.

    Think about it... when your horse acts up, or does something that can't be explained... who do you blaim? Not the horse. You blaim yourself. Yet... when a dog attacks without a "decent" explanation, and the only explanations would be either you're at fault, or the dog is a vicious killer... people always choose the latter.
         
        08-21-2008, 04:12 PM
      #63
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FutureVetGirl
    OK... I did NOT read what everyone wrote before... but I have something to say... NOW:

    7. Many people blame the dog for complete incompetence. Over half of the attacks (in kind, decent homes) were due to lack of training and control (they let the dog do whatever), and not teaching the kids to stay away from the dog's food or toys. A lot of times, a dog has a specific toy that it likes best, and so it will protect it, just like it would a specific owner. And so, the kid, selfishly, decides that it wants the toy, so it goes over and tries to take it. And then, when the dog snaps at the kid (perhaps getting a bit too close and taking off a bit of skin), the kid screams, so everybody assumes that the dog "attacked" the kid. When in actuality, the kid was the one "attacking" the dog.
    I applaud you for using your moment on the soap box to attempt to educate people as to WHY you are a fan of the breed. Alot of people get mad and scream but don't really lay down argument. I said in earlier posts that I think the OWNER has alot to do with the dogs behavior, although my husky was well trained, she IS well trained, she is just an evil dog. What you said in the above about the child being somewhat responsible for most of the attacks in the home I agree with. As a parent of a small child, I won't consider a dog like that. Because I can't watch him 24-7 and he does stick his little face in there faces. My shephard was harmless, my collie and my hound are harmless. I did TONS of research before buying my collie because I wanted a very safe dog for my son. That's why I picked him. I'm glad that you took the time to actually post an argument in favor of the breed rather than getting angry and screaming... I'm not for banning the breed, but I am for putting some restrictions on who can own certain types of dogs. I just don't think that is something that will ever happen becuase you would have to attend a class or get a certification or ... I don't know.. but in a perfect world, only responsible people would own animals and have children..... but since this world is not perfect.......
         
        08-21-2008, 05:13 PM
      #64
    Weanling
    Haha... thanks. I'm actually planning on owning and rehabilitating quite a few pit bulls in the near future (as soon as I'm off in college, simply because I have no resources or a place to keep them until then), and I'm also planning to get married and have kids during all of that.

    I don't look for a dog that would suit my kid... unless I'm buying the dog for the kid. I get the dog, and then train them both together. A lot of people tend to get a dog that is "good" around kids, and then leave them in the room ALONE together. I'm not saying that every dog needs 24/7 supervision. But when you have your dog and your kid together, at least be in the same room with them. Most dogs recognize a kid's weakness, fragility, and their innocence, and try and be kind and gentle around them. But a lot of dogs really DON'T know their own strength.

    My dog for example: She's a pit bull x labrador x greyhound x something else mix, and she's semi-big. I can't say that she wouldn't hurt a fly... because she likes catching and eating flies. But she also ADORES kids. For the most part she's very gentle around them, and kids love her. She's not extremely well trained, or even extremely well socialized. She's "good" with kids. But the reason why I don't let her around all of the kids, alone, is because she honestly doesn't know her own strength. She would never bite or intentionally hurt one of the kids, but she has knocked them down quite a few times. All she was doing was nosing them. And the kids screamed. But it never meant that she was attacking them, just that she didn't realize how strong she was, and how much it could effect a little kid.

    A lot of people see a dog that is "good" with kids, and then leave the two alone. The dog gives a gentle nip, not realizing how strong it is, and suddenly the kid is screaming, sometimes even punching the dog, making the dog feel threatened even more.

    So... I have a few suggestions for people who find themselves in situations similar to this:

    1. Never leave your kid and your dog alone together, because who knows what could happen. Not that it'd be your kid's FAULT, or that it'd be your DOG'S fault. But something could happen.

    2. If your kid and your dog have to be in the same room together, and your dog gets kind of wild at times, either keep one or the other in a playpen. Or put the dog outside for a while. A lot of times, the dog needs to work off excess energy, and then it's fine again.

    3. Find a professional trainer if your dog is just too much for you to handle alone. A lot of times it takes a new environment, and a new handler for your dog to learn.

    4. EDUCATE THE DUMB KID!!!!!! Don't let your two year old put his hands all over the dog's bones. Don't let your two year old eat out of the dog's food dish. It's not cute. It's gross, and a disaster waiting to happen.


    You don't have to get rid of the dog just because you have a kid. Sometimes it takes just a bit of brains.
         
        08-21-2008, 05:40 PM
      #65
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kentucky
    o0hawaiigirl0o
    I agree with about 50% of what you are saying. We didn't train dogs to be killers, God did, any species of wild dog is a killer. I could add most breed of dogs can and will kill, toy breeds I'm not so sure on. A beagle (one of the gentlest breed) will kill rabbits and rats if given a chance I owned one and never took him hunting..
    You can't breed out insticts totally, min. Or max yes.

    We harnessed the traits we needed and breed them to dogs. Hounds, Working breeds and any other breed type are gentler than terriers (the pit bull is one). Terriers were bred to kill game after, the chase of the hounds. . [/b]
    Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Dogs are predators and we can't breed out their insticts to be the hunter, such as we can't breed out the flight instict of horses.
         
        08-21-2008, 06:25 PM
      #66
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Again...I was drawing from my own experience. I meant no offence to anyone here. Whether or not you want to label people or not...we all have labels. I personally don't care what religion you are, what color you are, or what your background is. A good human being is a good human being. Labels are nothing more than a way for me to convey who I was talking about. If it were pop star princesses who were flaunting these dogs then I would have said that. Nothing that I wrote was directed towards one race. I was simply referring to the fact that some people believe that pit bulls will help them look tough or cool or protected or what ever misconception they have of the animal....they are wanting the dog because of the stereotypical nature of the dog to further personify themselves....and their label. They are owning the animal for the wrong reasons. Now if we did have a screening and the owners of whatever label passed, that would be fantastic and the breed would be the winner.

    I am trying to extend an olive branch of peace to you and I hope that I have explained my comments sufficently for you to understand that I was not bashing anyone on race. I was wanting to bash the ignorant people that own pitbulls for the wrong reasons.

    I understand that you feel the term redneck is racist. OK...I'll respect the fact that you feel that way. Please understand that where I am from it is in no way shape or form racist.

    I know that a lot of time tone is really hard to convey on these massage boards and I want you to know, Gee, that I am not being snarky or ugly towards you. I respect the fact that you said something and I would like to think that you will accept my appology for offending you.
    Cool! Thanks for explaining.... :)
         
        08-21-2008, 08:25 PM
      #67
    Started
    I think Dumas has a good point....there are too many "nasty characters" out there who own pit bulls..... Personally, I would not want to live in an area where there was a pit bull. Why? Because, sadly, too many people let their dogs run loose. While it is true that other breeds, like Poodles and Labs, can also get aggressive and bite, those breeds do not have the jaws that a pit bull does....and pit bulls can do some horribly serious damage with those jaws.
         
        08-21-2008, 09:19 PM
      #68
    Green Broke
    What they should do is put a ban on the stupid people that do things to make the dogs viscious.

    They are looking to a ban on pits and other similar dogs in another community in Washington state. More and more are coming up with these.

    Dumb people are mostly to blame. A dog will do what it's asked to. If that means being aggressive then they will do that. Some dogs are naturally more aggressive than others, but the human element plays a bigger part than most people realize.

    There are more pit bulls I'd rather be around than some of those yappy lap dogs that would likely tear you to bits! The dogs I've been chased by while riding my horse, SMALLER dogs. The big dogs on the trail that have obviously dog smart owners LISTEN to their owners.
         
        08-21-2008, 09:23 PM
      #69
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Solon

    There are more pit bulls I'd rather be around than some of those yappy lap dogs that would likely tear you to bits! The dogs I've been chased by while riding my horse, SMALLER dogs. The big dogs on the trail that have obviously dog smart owners LISTEN to their owners.
    Yeah that is very true, I have been chased by a team of small dogs on a beach before one was even jumping at the horses throat.
         

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