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    04-16-2012, 02:22 PM
  #41
Yearling
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Originally Posted by muumi    
Come on! He showed his birth certificate! Born in the US of A! Ask Donald Trump.
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There is just as much evidence supporting that the documents he showed were fake as there is that they were not. It's a never ending battle over who can prove what. What tips the scale for me is the evidence, coupled with the words that came out of his grandmothers mouth.
     
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    04-16-2012, 02:36 PM
  #42
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Whisper22    
I don't think Obama is a Natural Born Citizen because I don't think he was born in the US at all.
His grandmother has said, more than once, that she was there for his birth, NOT in the US, but in KENYA. People just choose to ignore that little tidbit coming from his own flesh and blood.
Sorry but that is so bogus. Her words were mistranslated. They corrected the interviewer over and over.

Here is the first part of that interview.


Start at 4:25. What they don't do is continue the conversation. Usually happens when someone tells people what they only want you to hear.

Here is the continuance of the conversation.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
     
    04-16-2012, 02:53 PM
  #43
Trained
Sorry to differ as a retired officer I have not ever been in danger of losing my retirement. I may not have gotten a raise for a couple of years. That claim about losing military retirement is as bogus as claiming the man is not a citizen of the USA.
Once again these are distractions. The only thing they accomplish is making those that repeat them look as ridiculous as the claims.
Our economu has grown for the last 2 years not as much as some would like but it is improving.
Sales of homes are up, jobs ARE being created, banks are now lending more, the stock market HAS rebounded to levels before 2009.
The stock market rebounding is a good indicator that people have more money to invest and are more confident in the economy.
If these things continue Obama is almost assured a second term.
Shalom
     
    04-16-2012, 02:59 PM
  #44
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Sorry to differ as a retired officer I have not ever been in danger of losing my retirement. I may not have gotten a raise for a couple of years. That claim about losing military retirement is as bogus as claiming the man is not a citizen of the USA.
Once again these are distractions. The only thing they accomplish is making those that repeat them look as ridiculous as the claims.
Our economu has grown for the last 2 years not as much as some would like but it is improving.
Sales of homes are up, jobs ARE being created, banks are now lending more, the stock market HAS rebounded to levels before 2009.
The stock market rebounding is a good indicator that people have more money to invest and are more confident in the economy.
If these things continue Obama is almost assured a second term.
Shalom
Amen.
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    04-16-2012, 03:05 PM
  #45
Weanling
And just to further prove my point here is the FULL audio of that conversation.

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Start this one from 5:45.
     
    04-16-2012, 07:49 PM
  #46
Yearling
PRes Obama will more than likely get elected again for two reasons...first, there is always the old "better the devil you know than the one you don't" attitude and second, I don't think the Republican ticket can ever be made strong enough to sway the public..there are too many things going on with fanatic conservatives that are not helping the Republican ticket cause.

People just can/t get it through their overly thick skulls that we can't have a straight liberal or straight conservative in the White House, or even in congress...it doesn't work and will never work.

Until we get to the point wherethe decision makers are able and willing to actually work together to compromise and find the best middle of the road solution, this country will never be truly whole again.

As an aside, it wasn't PRes Obama who "decided" on the lack of pay raises for retirees...he had nothing to do with it. It was due to the fact that the CPI was low for two years.
     
    04-16-2012, 08:21 PM
  #47
Trained
OP-I come to HF to read horse stuff, not polical BS. So, it you would like to take this argument to someone, try it here.
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Good luck with that. I can hear the black helps circling now. THey will chew you up and spit you out, and FYI-they are the guys who defend that freedom of speech you are using. I will guarantee that just by reading there you will get an education in what is real and what is not. I highly recommend you read more, post less.
Most are well credentialed and BTDT (been there, done that) type folks. They are for real. Don't mess with them. Seriously. But they will teach you.
And no, I did not read this whole thread......like I said-I come here for horse stuff. If I want politics or to know what is really happening-that is where I go.
     
    04-16-2012, 08:37 PM
  #48
Super Moderator
Agree with tlkng1.

Political debate generally =
a. I'm XYZ
b. Well, I'm ABC
a. Hey, you're wrong!
b. No, you are the one who is wrong!
a. No no, friend, I assure you , you are the mistaken one...
b. Sorry to say, pal, you are the one who is wrong....
... and ad nauseum...

Wouldn't it be nice if things went this way....
a. I'm XYZ and here is what I would like to change...
b. Well, I'm ABC and here is what I would like to see different....

both. Hey, this country is headed in a direction that may not be very good for both of us. How can we all pull together and work cohesively to figure out an viable answer?

Yeah, rainbows and butterflies I suppose because most people are more interested in shoving their opinions down other people's throats (or stirring the pot) on how they are right and others are wrong, than working together for a solution.
It is disappointing.
     
    04-16-2012, 10:23 PM
  #49
Banned
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Faceman Ifelt the same way about Bush on 04. How could so many people vote for a man that was IMO unqualified to be President.
The economy is improving. According to who? Unemployment is still way too high, gas is high, interest rates are low, the housing market is still on the decline, the debt is continuing to skyrocket, our country's credit rating is down - you have been listening to Tim Geithner too much...he is the President's man, you know.
The bailouts worked. The auto industry is now hiring thousands of workers. The bailouts have partially worked - not completely, and not without cost. Sadly, the stimulus has been a joke and almost a total waste of our taxpayer dollars.
Banks and the stock market have recovered. Just a slight problem with your statement. The banks that have survived are, for the most part either recovered or on their way to recovery...what you have forgotten is the record number of banks that have failed, and will fail, and the number that are being purposely kept open by FDIC or OCC, their regulators, to help make the situation look better than it is. As a recently retired senior corporate bank executive, I know of what I speak when it comes to the banking industry.
Unemployment is down. Unemployment is down? You are kidding, aren't you? See the chart below and tell me again the unemployment is down under Obama...come now.
Foriegn Policy and our image has improved from the our way or the highway mentality. True - our image in Muslim nations has improved...the rest are some better, some worse...I would say the net is not any substantial improvement from Bush. Honestly, both Bush and Obama are about equally innept at foreign relations.
More people have access to healthcare and millions more will soon. Overall that is indeed true, however many millions are now on the public medical care dole that had their own private insurance before they lost their jobs, and the cost to the taxpayers is a farther drag on the economy, and will prolong the recession. Somebody has to pay for it, you know.
Obama did promise more than he or anyone else could deliver. Don't they all? Yes they do - maybe with the exception of Reagan in recent history. He delivered, and then some.
The biggest reason I will support him is because the Republicans IMO have not offered any policies that are not a change from those offered by Bush. Bush was and is an incompetent idiot. His problem was not a matter of policy (except for his personal vendetta against Sadaam), but rather a matter of incompetency.
At least not any that are viable or able to pass even in a republican controlled congress.
If you touch Medicare, Social Security, or unemployment you willo sign a political death warrant. Shalom



Some of your points are arguable, but honestly with some of them a person would have to be grasping at straws to spin any kind of "improvement" out of a declining situation. Speculation is speculation, and facts are facts. A couple of those points are speculation - by both you and I, but others are demonstrable by facts...
     
    04-16-2012, 10:29 PM
  #50
Trained
Soooooo Over it...and him, and his wife....and his kids....and his policies...and his blah blah blah.........
Living in the metro DC area-we seem to get more of his BS than the rest of the country. If only we could harness that hot air......
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