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    05-01-2012, 09:21 AM
IT is mostly getting outsourced, unfortunately. I agree that medical fields will boom and likely when the recession ends there will be more construction. Have you thought about a trades education?

With a history BSc you are not going to get hired in any economy, really. My fathers first degree is in history, and even decades ago, it was useless so he did computing science for a second degree. If you want a job with history, you have to basically get a PhD and become a professor, or do an education degree and try to get a job teaching it in high schools.

Good luck
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    05-01-2012, 12:26 PM
It looks like I'm going to take the road less travelled here.

I am a complete advocate of doing what makes you happy. I made the "mistake" of choosing a field I excelled in but didn't necessarily enjoy. I've now been a part of the workforce for the better part of a decade and have been absolutely miserable for most of that time. Am I well compensated? Absolutely. I have been very fortunate. But something people don't tell you is jobs that pay well are very stressful.

All but one of my siblings and I all took this path--careers in fields that pay well, professional degrees, etc. The only one who is happy is the teacher whose job is in question every year due to workforce reductions. The rest of us are sure it will only be a few years until we are working for nonprofits or ministering to people in some way.

Life is about happiness and giving back. If you have money, give it all away. If you don't have money, trust that everything will work out. Invest in your hobbies, not your career.

If I had it to do over I'd have a history degree.

That being said, I'm still a firm believer that you can turn anything into a lucrative career with the right amount of drive and willingness to move. Get a history degree and go to law school if money is your primary concern. Get a PhD. Just don't go into a lot of debt doing it.
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    05-01-2012, 12:42 PM
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If you enjoy history or some other non marketable field, buy a book, read all about it, why waste time and money on a degree in it ?
LOts of degree fields can land you decent secure enployment without high stress, I am at work now, make plenty of money and have plenty of time off to go ride. Pretty much zero stress. I just got in the right field.
Medical, transportation, utilities, and government bureaucrats and social workers, everything else will be moving to Asia.
    05-01-2012, 12:46 PM
I wouldn't knock Wildlife Biology at all.

There are many career options available. Positions with your state's fish & game department, conservation non-profits, breeding facilities for game, zoos, game reserves, game ranches. If you have a minor or double major in something like journalism, then you could possibly write about wildlife for a journal, magazine, newspaper, or online publication. A friend of mine started working for a game ranch out of college. He has since made the connections and learned more about the industry and now owns his own whitetail breeding business. He sells bucks to game ranches and sells some of his does to other breeding operations. He still guides hunts and fishing trips because that is something he really enjoys doing.

What would you do with your history degree is the real question. Would you teach and have a double major or minor in education? Would you want to write about it? Work for a museum?

There is a heck of a lot more to figuring out what you would like to do with your life besides "pick a major and a college." What do you want to do with your life besides getting a job? You need to be prepared with a fall-back plan as well. The best advice that I can give is to major in the field that you would most like to build your career, but have enough of an education through a secondary degree or connections that you will find a place to work if Plan A falls through.
    05-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Faceman    
One of the most common mistakes college students make is designing their education based upon today's job market needs rather than looking to the future needs.
True. But some degrees will be just as useless in 10 years as they are now (and some will become useless).
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    05-01-2012, 01:43 PM
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Wow! Lots of good thoughts here. Thank you, all. :)

I have thought about teaching. I do well with kids/teens and I'm currently "employed" teaching riding lessons, so teaching is definitely something I have thought about incorporating into a history degree. My friends think I'm too awkward/strange/"zany" for it, but parents and kids always like me and I think that's probably what counts in a teaching setting...
The private college I'm considering has a really great teaching program as well, the public college either doesn't have one or it's not one of their strong points because I've never heard of it.

I'm leery of IT jobs because both my father and my brother are in those fields and my dad currently is employed in his first IT job (non-self employed) in ten years. My brother can't find work at all. Not to mention that I'm like that stereotypical "older generation" computer user that couldn't find her way around a computer if my life depended on it, only young.

Like the point Faceman made, when I was about to graduate high school, we were all pushed towards teaching as the "best", "most stable" career we could find. Well, only about 3 years later, teaching is one of the most unstable careers you could have!
I'm leery of choosing a degree that I have really no interest/ability in (IT, healthcare, etc) and having it be obsolete by the time I get out of school. If I had interest or ability in those areas, I'd go for it, but I really really don't.

I really appreciate your thoughts though, I have some great things to think about like if I were to commit to a degree in history, what kind of job would I be heading for? I like the jobs one could get with a history degree but I don't have a specific one in mind.
I don't really care about money either, as long as I have enough to get by and have a horse, I'll be happy. Giving lessons basically comes up with the money to keep Lacey so all I'd really need was money to survive on myself. Obviously I can't teach lessons on Lacey for forever but when the time comes for that to stop, I'm sure other options will come up. She's really not expensive, just about $50/month.
I don't have expensive taste, I'm fine+happy with finding nice cheap clothes at thrift stores, I don't eat out and I have to make my own food due to some dietary needs I have so I never buy "pre-made". I really have no problem living a simple life and not amassing hoards of money.

There are a lot of things I'd like to do, outdoorsy type jobs, but at least out here, only the very select VERY lucky get any chance at those jobs.

What's a "trades type education"? Like a trade school? The only trade school we have around here are basically culinary schools, the art institute (I'm good at art, but I'd prefer a secure job to the life of a starving artist), health care schools, paralegal training, etc. Nothing that I can see going much farther than a certificate or whatever you end up with from one of those places....

I really appreciate all your thoughts! Keep going!
There's always been a lot of fog surrounding what I might want to be, inside my head, and I feel like this discussion and all your points is helping that fog clear, little by little.
    05-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
True. But some degrees will be just as useless in 10 years as they are now (and some will become useless).
I'm not sure any degree is without value, just not always in the workplace, which I'm sure is what you mean.

One thing to remember, Wallaby, is that you are not necessarily "married" to a career that matches your major. Aside from highly technical jobs, your ability to do a job depends upon your acquisition of certain skill sets more than your book knowledge. The older you get, the more weight prospective employers place on your skill sets than on your education, which is of course most important when you are first starting out.

I started out with degrees in Biology, Geology, and Physics, and got in the door with Chevron Geophysical as a Geophysicist. During the 15 years I spent in that industry, which involved several changes in the companies I worked for, I became quite successful, but more importantly developed management and communication skill sets that have served me well. When I decided to retire from the oil business and pursue a more personally satisfying career in public service, those skill sets allowed me to make entry into the new field and the transition was very easy, with a very short learning curve to assimilate the technical knowledge I needed in the new field. The leadersip, writing, and public speaking skills I had acquired landed me a job as an Economic Development Director for a 5 county economic development organization, and after a couple of years absorbing the technical aspects of that field I accepted an appointment as a Loan Officer and Public Information Officer with the U.S. Small Business Administration, where I served for 15 years covering 28 counties in Southwest Missouri, till I retired in 2005. I then transitioned back to the private sector, again using my skill sets, and took a position as a corporate Senior Vice President for a large bank, moving to Senior Vice President and Commercial Lending Manager a year later.

I tell you this not to lay out my career to the world, which I'm sure could care less - many people have varied careers, but to demonstrate that, as I said, your major doesn't necessarily marry you to a particular profession or field. My degrees had nothing to do with small business or banking, but the skill sets I acquired did. When I hired people in their 20's, I looked closely at their education. But when I hired people in their 30's and above, I hired for expertise in certain skill sets - not their education - and most companies do the same. Assuming a person is reasonably intelligent and has a good work ethic, the technical aspects of a job are easily and quickly is the skill sets - like leadership ability, the ability to communicate orally and in writing, interpersonal skills. And the logic and perception to convert theory into practical applications, that are the key parameters employers look for when hiring older, more experienced people - and you will be one of those one day.

As to history, yeah it's true a history degree isn't very marketable, but history does teach us much. Look around you and watch people flailing away reinventing the wheel and making the same mistakes we have made in the past, instead of looking to history to take advantage of what mankind has already done and already learned, and avoiding the mistakes we have made in the past. A person could choose a worse major. If it were me though, I would minor in history and find a more marketable major like Economics, Finance, Accounting, or Business, or even a scientific discipline.

The choices are endless, and I was young once too and know very well how it can drive you nutso trying to figure out which path to take...
    05-01-2012, 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Faceman    
I'm not sure any degree is without value, just not always in the workplace, which I'm sure is what you mean.
Yes, I should of phrase it differently.
    05-01-2012, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Wallaby    
I'm leery of choosing a degree that I have really no interest/ability in (IT, healthcare, etc) and having it be obsolete by the time I get out of school. If I had interest or ability in those areas, I'd go for it, but I really really don't.
There are SO many different things to do and degrees out there that I don't see why you have to go into something you don't like at all. I think the point some of us are trying to make is look at different possibilities and try to combine "like" and "useful down the road". And even if you get a degree it doesn't mean you'll 100% be in that field.
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    05-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Joe4d    
"Getting your attention" doesnt cut it.

Ok time for some tough love, stop wasting your time, effort and money. Christian History ? Buy a book and read about it.

Have you been watching the news lately ? Heard all the reports of all the college grads deep in debt with no job ? DO you know why they are in that situation? Because they took worthless classes on things that "Got their attention"

You are going to college to get some marketable skills so you can get a job and earn a living, not to study a hobby. You need to look at your abilities, and look at actual jobs that are available that pay a decent wage you would be happy with. Also look at the job demand in an area you can deal with living in. Forget all that true calling peace and love hippy stuff. Spend the next two years being realistic, get a degree and experience in something someone is actually willing to pay you for. Or you will be joining the ranks of the unemployed highly educated in non marketable fields.

I completely disagree with this. I can see that it is true that your degree may not be marketable when you get out of college. However, that is not the only reason a person seeks out a higher education. You are only young ONCE. There are no do overs. Taking a couple of years to study something that stimulates your mind and your heart and makes you feel a passion for knowledge, history and culture is more valuable in the long run than spending two years , or less, learning a saleable trade. You may need to add training in some kind of saleable trade at some time, and from what I have seen of your posts here, you would be a treasure as a teacher.

The money is not the most important thing. Go to the private school, go deep into discourse and the search for knowledge and the joys of discussing human history with others of your passion. It will give you much greater and more valuable experience in the long run. I have no doubt you will be able to provide for yourself when the time comes.

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