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post #11 of 18 Old 08-13-2012, 09:35 PM
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I have a concealed carry license and I, personally, don't like to carry anything smaller than .40 caliber. I openly speak out against 9mm and smaller handguns just because they don't have enough knockdown power. I knew a cop that had to fire his gun at an approaching car a few years ago. The woman driver was purposefully trying to run him over. He was carrying the department issue 9mm at the time and it took 6 rounds before one penetrated the windshield of the car. After that, he got his own service pistol that was a .45 (smaller police department and they allowed you to get your own guns if you wished). My .40 that I carry actually has a slightly bigger profile than I like for concealed carrying, but there is very little recoil and it fits my hand perfectly.

As for the fear of having it taken away, like others said, training is the best answer to that. Because of my previous experience, I've had classes in weapons retention that taught me how to keep someone from taking my gun away from me. IMHO, that is an absolute necessity because you can't always get off a shot before they get to you. The average assailant can cover 28 feet before the average gun owner can draw, get a line of sight, and fire a single shot. The problem with that is, most folks don't even realize they're in danger until they've already been grabbed.

For that reason, some form of self defense classes are an absolute must. Not only will that give you an idea of what to do when/if you are assaulted, but it will teach you confidence and spacial awareness that will make it less likely for a perpetrator to surprise you.

Talk to your local law enforcement. They might know of somewhere that teaches self defense and weapons retention classes. If all else fails, get to know a couple of cops and ask them to teach you.

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post #12 of 18 Old 08-13-2012, 10:01 PM
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I have had my permit for years. Thankfully, I have never had to pull my gun on anyone or even felt like I might need it. But there is always that possibility. Best thing is to get familiar with it and develop the mind set that, if you pull it, you are going to use it. Period.

We have an "open" carry here in Tennessee, so I can carry out in the open or I can carry concealed.
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post #13 of 18 Old 08-13-2012, 10:14 PM
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This man did exactly what he was supposed to do. Stay calm, wait for the bad guy to turn his back, and go after them.

I LOVE how they were tripping over themselves to escape! If he had a higher caliber firearm they would have been much worse off.

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post #14 of 18 Old 08-14-2012, 10:52 PM
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Move to Oklahoma. The dummies here just passed an 'OPEN CARRY' law. I can't wait to see Main Street look like Dodge City in the 1800s.

Then everyone that gets drunk and mad won't have to go to their pickup, they can just draw their gun and start shooting.

If having more guns around made us safer, why did the US have 14,000 gun deaths last year? We have the highest murder / homicide rate in the World and are the most highly armed country in the civilized World.

And YES! Most legal handguns are used against their owners or are used in accidental shootings (like the thousands every year that get into the hands of little children). More people kill family members (accidentally and on purpose) or commit suicide with their own guns than kill intruders or are used in self defense.

We have always had several guns around, but I am getting less and less in love with them every year.

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post #15 of 18 Old 08-14-2012, 11:11 PM
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Well, when I was training here in Tn to get my carry permit, I was trained by the SWAT team members. We had a discussion about how the police thought about the open carry law. Originally they thought we would have a lot of "shoot 'em ups" and the crime would increase, so they were against it.

Then after it passed, the crime rate actually DECREASED significantly, and there were no OK corral shoot ups, so they changed their attitude about it. The SWAT team members that were training us actually volunteered for the duty.
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post #16 of 18 Old 08-14-2012, 11:49 PM
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The big western shootouts are majorly just a fabrication of movies. "An armed society is a polite society." A lot of crimes happen because the criminals believe they can get away with it. (see video above). You would think twice about going after someone if you thought they might be able to shoot you.
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post #17 of 18 Old 08-14-2012, 11:53 PM
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Yes, I carry.
I always get a chuckle when I hear the anti's squeal about how violence will increase, murders will go through the roof, and so on.
Ever notice where the highest rates of violent crimes are?
Chicago, DC, NYC, and LA.
The places that it's almost impossible to get a carry permit.
Yes, there will be an uptick in collateral deaths, such as suicide, but in a general sense, an armed society is a polite society.
Carrying is a grave responsibility that must be taken very seriously.
You must ask yourself the hard questions, and give yourself brutally honest answers.
Are you fully prepared to take a life if the need arises?
Can you effectively prepare yourself for close quarters combat?
Where will you carry your firearm on your person?
Can you practice drawing and implementing your firearm consistently?
If you've never carried before, I recommend a snub nosed 38 hammerless style.
They're easily concealed, point and shoot, and their clean lines are less likely to get hung up on clothing in a hasty draw situation.
I agree that a 380 is the smallest caliber I would carry, but I prefer 40 and larger.
When my students ask me what to carry, and why, my answer is always the same. Carry the largest caliber you can keep on target in rapid fire.
Stray rounds get innocent bystanders killed. Rounds on target kills the threat.
Law Enforcement carry 40 and 45 for a reason. Ballistically, they function identically to 25 feet.
Get trained. Practice. Then practice more. You must develop muscle memory. In a hostile situation, fine motor skills go to pot, and you revert back to your most basic training.
ingraining your draw process, quick target acquisition, and firing multiple rounds quickly all must become second nature.
Smooth is fast, and fast is smooth.
Go get your permit. It's a wise decision.

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post #18 of 18 Old 08-15-2012, 12:01 AM
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I am a law enforcement firearms instructor and teach concealed carry. I am a firm believer that the only gun that is ineffective is the one you don't have. I own and carry all kinds of calibers, but my favorite is a tiny 380. Yes, not the knockdown of my 45, but it is an up close and personal weapon and it only takes one shot. The difference is that I can wear it and it doesn't "print" on my clothing. I would rather have it than have to decide not to carry.

Ladydreamer, The man in that video would be arrested in NC if he had done that per our concealed carry laws. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you are in the process of being attacked. Shooting fleeing people in the back is violating that. I don't see him as a hero, once those people are fleeing. Sorry.
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