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post #11 of 37 Old 01-17-2013, 01:04 PM Thread Starter
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Although I fed mine mostly frozen meals, how is it horrendous to feed a live animal to another predator? That's life.
Sorry, NS, but it's life when it's outside. In a cage it's not natural life, it's an artificial environment, and the live creature has no chance at all. As you said one can use frozen meat (like they do in places like Gatorland, Big Cat Rescue, etc.) rather then throw a live kitten there and listen how it cries until it's killed. Just my opinion.

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post #12 of 37 Old 01-17-2013, 01:10 PM
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About as natural as a cow being slaughtered at the slaughter house, or a chicken being bled, plucked and processed at the "kill station" .. then put in your cat food that you feed your cats.

I can TOTALLY understand you not wanting to see any of those situations, and I can understand that you are a cat lover, but it's life. Meat eaters eat meat .. whether they are out in the wild doing it, or depending on the people that took on their responsibility. At some point, a caged (penned) animal is killed to make our dog/cat food.

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About as natural as a cow being slaughtered at the slaughter house, or a chicken being bled, plucked and processed at the "kill station" .. then put in your cat food that you feed your cats.
Why just cats? Dogs too. And I eat beef, pork, etc. and even (oh, boy!) doesn't see anything wrong with eating a horse (although I never tried one). With that being said I still think it's wrong to feed a snake a live animal.

We can all argue all we want here, but the fact is neither is going to change the opinion, so it's really a moot point. On my side I'll share it on all forums I go to, and it's up to people to agree or disagree and to consider or to ignore.

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If you are worried about the kitten suffering and being fed alive, well, frozen rats aren't born that way, and there are plenty of guides to feeding what is called pre-killed rats. That's right. Where you kill them yourself and immediately feed to the snake to prevent the prey from struggling and injuring a thousand or more dollar reptile. Also good for those snakes who won't touch a frozen meal so it isn't an option. I won't go into details, you can surf the net f you like, but any way you look at it, an animal that was once alive has to die to feed another. I don't like the squealing, but it only lasts a few seconds, while freezing to death can take a lot longer.
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post #15 of 37 Old 01-17-2013, 02:08 PM
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Its all down to the concept of what we see as pets isnt it.
There is a huge furore in the UK at present as its been discovered that a range of beef burgers contain horse meat - they are being placated with the message that the horsemeat is quite safe but people there don't see horses as something they eat but as pets like cats and dogs so they arent exactly overjoyed with the idea
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If you are worried about the kitten suffering and being fed alive, well, frozen rats aren't born that way, and there are plenty of guides to feeding what is called pre-killed rats. That's right. Where you kill them yourself and immediately feed to the snake to prevent the prey from struggling and injuring a thousand or more dollar reptile. Also good for those snakes who won't touch a frozen meal so it isn't an option. I won't go into details, you can surf the net f you like, but any way you look at it, an animal that was once alive has to die to feed another. I don't like the squealing, but it only lasts a few seconds, while freezing to death can take a lot longer.
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That's interesting, NS. One of the reasons while I don't like the whole idea so much is that I've seen some snake owners to feed live rats while enjoying watching the whole process, smiling, and commenting. I don't mean in any way or form that all owners are like that, but what I've seen was enough to turn me off.

And jaydee, you are very right. It's all about how we see the pets. :) I know Koreans eat dogs, I'd never consider eating (or even trying) one myself.

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I can't say I ever enjoyed feeding live rats. I've had many rodents for pets, including a rat that was very near and dear to my heart. But I know the type of people you are talking about. The grinning idiots with the brain of a teenage boy. Luckily the ones dangling a by the tail are very likely to get a well deserved bite from either the rat or the reptile. I usually emptied the rat into the feeding cage straight out of the box, close the cage, close my ears. You have to watch to make sure thesnake takes it, as a rat is very capable of killing a snake. If it is any consolation, pet store rats live short lives, even I loved and coddled, much like a puppy mill dog they are very prone to a wide range of genetic disease.
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Cats are pets. Feeder rats are pet food. End of story.

Someone who's trolling adoption ads for kittens to feed to his snake is one sick SOB.

I don't even need to start on how I feel about large/carnivorous reptiles being kept as pets.

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Cats are pets. Feeder rats are pet food. End of story.
Its not that simple - rats and mice make great pets too. I had two feeder mice I bought as pets in college. Both were very entertaining and came running up for treats - especially peanut butter.

Snakes eating animals does not bother me and I would rather see an animal go to nourish another than be wasted with euthinasia. I do think they should be humanely killed by non-chemical means before being placed in the cage - safer for the snake and much more humane to the animal.

But I do think the warning still stands - if you are trying to find your animal a home - screen it very carefully if you want it to go to a good pet home. And spay/neuter!

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I really think this is a CL hoax, much like the shock and awe photos and stories that come up on FB. This exact posting, word for word, was posted on my local CL.

I suppose I am a screwy person as I absolutely adore my reptiles. Straight up in love with them. My boas mean the world to me as any horse would. I truly wish people wouldn't make such terrible assumptions about people just for the things they enjoy. Some of the most wonderful people I have ever met have been reptile keepers and hobbyists.

Overall, if you are any means a keeper, you know where to get feeders for cheap. Pet shops, unless you are tight with the owner, are twice the price of breeders, reptile shows, or even building a rack and breeding your own.

Feeding live is very dangerous for the snake, especially with rats. I have seen pictures of some poor snakes chewed to pieces by rats when the owner went away for "a little bit". Poor babies. Frozen thawed is the much safer route, but unfortunately there are some snakes that would rather starve than eat F/T. Most Ball Pythons are picky enough. Any real hobbyist or keeper tries to limit variation in a BPs diet, just in case they decide that they will only eat certain things.

Right now, I have only been able to fee live since my frozen supplier(s) are VERY unreliable, and I know several breeders of live that I can always count on. It really hurt us when the reptile shows here went from every month to twice a year. When the switch happened, I did not have enough money or freezer space for six months worth of food. I have to watch my bull snake very carefully, because she is a lazy striker. She doesn't really wrap her prey at first. Her last feeding she grabbed it wrong and it was almost able to bite her. I didn't even think twice about clocking that sucker unconscious. I felt bad after it died, but at the time, my pretty girls safety was all that mattered. She is too sweet to let anything happen to her.

I do have one boa that will not under any circumstance eat frozen thawed. He will go up and smell it and investigate, but will not eat it. I doubt I will ever get him to switch over. Le sigh. It sucks too that he is small. Live pinkies and younger prey are miserable to find.

And on the other hand, my anaconda detests live. She likes to hunt from the water, and has very low confidence. She loses her nerve the second something seems amiss, which includes me looming over the enclosure. F/T, I can just clip over the water and leave.

As for "pets", I would have to be pretty desperate to try a puppy or kitten, but gerbils, hamsters, chicks, rabbits.... Those are all foods.

I even have two designated pet rats. They are rats we would fight someone for. They are so sweet and snuggly. They would never be considered food even if we could not find food for a while.
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