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    01-18-2013, 02:15 AM
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I owned a 12' Burmese python. It wouldn't eat frozen or dead, umm, food. She Did perticularly like small rabbits and kittens over rats. I had her In a large enclosure, not an aquarium, so she actually hunted. Which I feel is more natural and healthier.
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    01-18-2013, 04:32 AM
  #22
Weanling
IMO, what matters most is how the animal dies. No animal deserves to suffer as it dies, even though it does happen. I'm the type who cringes when I see a lion take down an antelope on television, and the antelope kicks wildly as the lion digs in. That is cruel, but it's the way things have to be in that case.

In the case of feeding carnivorous pets, it doesn't have to be that way. I believe it is inhumane to put any animal in with a predator and let them live out their last moments in fear, and possibly agony if the killing isn't fast, if there is something you can do about it.

That being said though, I have a 'humane' mouse trap and every mouse that is caught is fed to my dogs. In my defense though, the mice rarely even touch the ground before being killed, although there has been the odd ones that have suffered, and it is those ones that make me despise the method. But it's still better than most other options.

I think the whole point OP was trying to get across though was the dishonesty of the people who are feeding animals they have taken in for free to their animals. That is undeniably morally wrong. Feeding pets to pets is another matter entirely.
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    01-18-2013, 07:04 AM
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Nature is cruel, no way to change that. There's the predator and there's the prey. Like it or not there's no way to change that.

Our generation, or maybe the last couple of generations, have move far from the realities of life. We don't do the dirty deed and have dissociated ourselves from the cruelty and messiness of killing to eat.

Maybe that's what's spurning some of the violence our country is plagued with, I can't say for sure but just maybe.

A snake has to eat to. I'm with Joe on this, why is a cat more important than a rat?
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    01-18-2013, 09:11 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Tracer    
...I have a 'humane' mouse trap and every mouse that is caught is fed to my dogs...
That's sort of like ordering a Diet Coke and a cheeseburger...
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    01-18-2013, 09:41 AM
  #25
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
That's sort of like ordering a Diet Coke and a cheeseburger...

Right?? I literally laughed out loud and my office mate wanted to know what I was laughing at...

When I advertise free roosters on craigslist, I have NO RIGHT to dictate what the people who take them do with them. None. I can ask, request, beg, but once they take that animal off my property it belongs to THEM because I was no longer willing to care for it myself.

If folks would take the time to worm and vaccinate their kittens and then charge a small fee, it might discourage the snake food buyers ... but most won't even put THAT much effort into their 'extra' kittens.

SPAY and NEUTER people!!

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    01-22-2013, 01:37 AM
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Yearling
Some of us just can't grasp the idea of a kitten being snake food. That being said, I can't grasp the idea of my mom beating the poor little mouse(if she gets to the mouse first. If I do, then I live trap the mouse and go set it free outside) on the head for getting into her pantry and eating what he really shouldn't be eating. But then again I can't bear the thought of a baby snake being eaten alive by a honey badger. Though I watch it anyway. The point is that Nature is not nice. Someones going to eat someone. We all have to live right? Whether it was originally raised to be food or not. But the thought still makes me uncomfortable.
     
    01-22-2013, 08:15 AM
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Yearling
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Originally Posted by Tracer    

That being said though, I have a 'humane' mouse trap and every mouse that is caught is fed to my dogs. In my defense though, the mice rarely even touch the ground before being killed, although there has been the odd ones that have suffered, and it is those ones that make me despise the method. But it's still better than most other options.
FYI, do you know that mice are intermediate hosts for tapeworm and by feeding them to your dogs they can get infested? Which is why I worm all my cats and dogs for tapeworms on a regular basis as we live in the sticks and mice are common. Lots of info on the web if you are interested.

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    01-22-2013, 10:40 AM
  #28
Weanling
Cats are not nice predators....They will harrass and play with their food often times letting it go several times to recatch it. It can take a while for the victim to die...Snakes do not do this..

While I agree that it is discusting to lie to people to aquire kittens for snake food, I find it alot more disturbing when someone lies to aquire kittens for their own sick needs...to torture. THAT is far worse than snake food IMO.
     
    01-22-2013, 12:23 PM
  #29
Yearling
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People who "love" reptiles seem a little screwy to begin with. Glad I spay/neuter my pets.
I take a bit of offense to this. I absolutely LOVE reptiles. I used to own snakes. I plan to own more snakes when I am able. They happen to be predators, and some of them refuse dead food and you have to give them live food. That makes me screwy, because I enjoy an animal that some other people don't enjoy (and obviously don't understand)?

To the topic at hand, I do have an issue with it. I know a kitten is a kitten, and why not give it to the snake? I personally would not, but if someone else wants to....

The issue I have is that he is looking for kittens on "free to good home" advertisements. These people are giving away these kittens under the assumption that they are going to a good loving home, and they are actually being fed to a snake. He's blatantly lying about it. I don't like that.

As others have pointed out, a snake is a snake. It's a predator. It needs food, and sometimes it needs live food. I personally don't see an issue with feeding it whatever you can get it to eat - if you're willing to feed it a rat, then why not a bunny? A kitten? Because they are pets. Well, rats are pets too. Like I said... I personally would not feed the snake a kitten. But if someone is going to own an animal that eats live small prey, who am I to judge what they feed it? It's sad that he's lying about it, but. As someone else pointed out, is it better if they get gassed at a shelter?

If people don't want this happening, then maybe they should fix their animals so they wouldn't have 12 kittens they need to get rid of. Some snakes WILL NOT EAT frozen food or dead food. I know several of them. Ooh, but then it's better to just let it starve? No. Your cat is a predator too. So is your dog. They both have animal meal in their food that is killed in just as awful ways.
     
    01-22-2013, 01:13 PM
  #30
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Shoebox    
I take a bit of offense to this. .
Ditto this.
     

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