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        01-22-2013, 02:45 PM
      #31
    Yearling
    I personally wouldn't be feeding kittens to other animals, however as a person that grew up on a farm, I know that food is food and nature isn't sunshine and rainbows. I've had barn cats that become food for coyotes, bunnies that are food for everything (cats, dogs, owls, hawks....), and a dog that loved to crunch, munch and shake rats until there were no bones left to break. She caught them on her own and didn't eat them. Just liked playing with them.

    I can't count how many mice, voles, moles, snakes and other little animals I've taken from my cats and killed so they wouldn't be suffering anymore. You want to see something truly horrible? Watch what a pair of cats will do to a rabbit.

    I love all animals (except sheep...and dalmations...and, well, okay. Maybe not ALL animals, but ya know...) I at least respect the animals enough to allow them to practice their nature without censoring them. I may not like it, but that's the way it is.

    Oh, and I loved my pet rodents. I miss them dearly. After high school and moving to my own place, I had to rehome mine. They were lovely creatures. Very smart and affectionate.





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        01-24-2013, 05:44 PM
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    People who "love" reptiles seem a little screwy to begin with. Glad I spay/neuter my pets.
    I get what you're trying to say, and I agree. Geckos, fine. Burmese pythons? That's a different story.

    Honestly, I don't think anyone who owns a 10+ foot snake actually "loves" it. They're wild animals. They do not belong in a glass tank in someone's house. That, to me, is no different than keeping an exotic cat caged in your backyard. People who have them are merely infatuated with the idea of keeping a dangerous animal as a "pet". Besides that, I don't believe the animals can have any quality of life in captivity unless you have the resources to give them a habitat, not a cage. And most people don't. The snakes spend their entire lives staring at four glass walls and waiting for their next meal to be dangled in front of their faces.

    There's nothing natural about it when you take an exotic animal into your house.

    Rant #2: Cats are not rats. Cats have been valued as companions worldwide for 4,000 years. I've been around reptiles and rodents. They don't connect with you like cats and dogs. They don't care who feeds them. Snakes will chomp down on their owner as soon as a frozen rat. They do not "bond" with you. Sure, I enjoyed my hamsters, but I could have given them to someone else and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to them.

    On the other hand, I know of a dog whose owner left it with a friend while he went off to the military. The dog was so distraught that he refused to eat until he died. I might change my opinions on the matter if anyone's ever known a rat or a snake to show that kind of devotion.

    Sorry for the major tangent, but that's how I feel.
         
        01-24-2013, 05:55 PM
      #33
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Jessabel    
    I get what you're trying to say, and I agree. Geckos, fine. Burmese pythons? That's a different story.

    Honestly, I don't think anyone who owns a 10+ foot snake actually "loves" it. They're wild animals. They do not belong in a glass tank in someone's house. That, to me, is no different than keeping an exotic cat caged in your backyard. People who have them are merely infatuated with the idea of keeping a dangerous animal as a "pet". Besides that, I don't believe the animals can have any quality of life in captivity unless you have the resources to give them a habitat, not a cage. And most people don't. The snakes spend their entire lives staring at four glass walls and waiting for their next meal to be dangled in front of their faces.
    You could not be more wrong. Sure, maybe some people are infatuated with the exotic allure of owning a snake (take the people who own deadly snakes - THAT I agree with you on). But others genuinely love them. Take me for instance. Or anybody else in my family (well... Maybe not my mother...) -I love snakes. Yep, they're exotic, but that doesn't play a role in it. I love garter snakes, too, and those are the farthest thing from exotic - they are EVERYWHERE around here. In fact, I already have a hopeful plan for when I move into my own house (sadly far in the future) to build a big snake habitat to rescue the snakes/reptiles that people decide they no longer want instead of having them dumped outside to die.

    And why should a gecko be an different than a python? They are both exotic reptiles, one just happens to be smaller. I completely agree when you say they belong outside - so do the birds I own, my parakeets, but if I let them go they will die. They were born in captivity, as well as many, many of the reptiles that are sold. If I try to let them go in the wold they would not make it. All I can do is give them the best captive life they can have with a big huge cage, free flying time, toys. Likewise with a snake, or an iguana. Definitely can be exotic, but just because some people love animals that you don't does NOT mean they only want them because of that, and it's rather ignorant to think so.

    Edit: and it really has nothing to do with bonding. I know a snake won't bond with me. (Some reptiles do, like iguanas and whatnot). I don't love snakes for their bond. They are amazing animals even if they aren't cute and cuddly. I myself don't care for, say, pigs. I don't like them at all. But that doesn't mean I think people ONLY want them because they are a unique pet. Some people just really like pigs. (I like pigs... In bacon form)
         
        01-24-2013, 09:32 PM
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    I LOVED my snake. He was a very sweet, curious creature that would literally crave attention. I cried like a little baby when I got a letter in boot camp that said he had passed away (he was an old fella).

    Just because you don't own reptiles doesn't mean it's not normal. Do you know what non-equestrians say about us horse people? They think we're freaking crazy.
         
        01-25-2013, 02:01 AM
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    I own a yellow anaconda, that I just adore. I can hardly wait for her to mature as I am so very excited about building her enclosure. She is such a neat little lady. She is kid of defensive, and VERY insecure. She is so timid that it is difficult to feed her live. She will only grow to about 15 feet and because she is a type of boa, will be massive around. Oh I cannot wait. She is so neat.

    I am also about to start breeding Boa Constrictors. They get about 10 feet long and again, typical boas, will be very girthy. I have a fantastic group that I would do anything for. I am fretting right now as mich as I have ever fretted about a horse or warm blooded animal because one of my new girls has a few health issues. Boas are absolutely amazing pets. I really think I would have to TRY very hard to get any of my boas to bite me. And if they did, it would be 100% my fault.

    Snakes will only bite for two reasons. Defensive strikes("Leave me alone!") or as a Feeding Response. They are 1000 times less dangerous than horses, especially when you know how to handle them. They are so very predictable.

    I also have a gecko. Meh, I am not thrilled with him. I am not "wowed" by him. He is neat, and I like him. I do not adore him like I do my snakes. My anery boa is just sitting here under her lamp and I am captivated by the rainbow sheen in her scales. The perfect pattern of her saddles. Her little mustache. She hasn't moved in the half an hour I have been watching her. Not even a flicker of her tongue. I am still entertained. I just love her.
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        01-25-2013, 09:55 AM
      #36
    Weanling
    You do realize that Cleopatra is said to have kept Ball (aka, Royal) Pythons as pets? It isn't as if this is some super great idea just thought of in the past few years. I'm a python person myself, and my largest, well, his head was much bigger than my hand. He was a sweet boy that enjoyed coming out of his cage to sit in my lap to soak up the warmth. I know he didn't love me but honestly, while some mammalian types of animals miss their people, a great deal more get over it. I had a dog from the time she was 4 weeks to 3 years old and when I came back from 8 weeks of boot camp, she barked at me and had no idea who I was. No cutesy YouTube reunion for me.

    And snakes don't bite without warning. They can be tamed down with time, though some species will have a nastier streak than others, the same some might say of spirited breeds like Arabs over a more placid draft cross. And in that respect, most snakes are much nippier as babies, since they have a lot more to be defensive about.

    Why keep a 100 pound snake? Why keep a 1000 pound horse? Surely those that keep them in a stall with a blanket for a majority of the time can't be better than those that do it to a snake with a much simpler mind. Their natural habitat isn't a box with grain shoved in front of them, and I hate to see horses kept like that but it isn't any of my business and I keep my thoughts to myself on the matter. My snakes, when I had them, always had a room all their own. The big guy took up one entire wall, and the other was dedicated to a chinchilla mansion for a dozen chinchillas. If you want to blame anyone for how animals are kept as pets, blame pet stores and the companies behind them. They peddle tons of colorful, eye catching, over priced and entirely inadequate housing for everything from mice to reptiles. A single level ferret kit with a hammock, litter, and food, the whole thing 2 feet long? Surely they wouldn't sell it if it was bad for them! But they do.
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        01-25-2013, 10:42 AM
      #37
    Weanling
    I think it's wrong to compare a snake to a dog or a cat. It is correct they are not cuddly, furry, or loyal animals. But that doesn't make them a bad pet. I think a better comparison is they are more like fish. Beautiful and fun to admire, with the added bonus of being able to handle them.

    But in keeping with the Craigslist warning topic of the thread, people should be very very careful. I had never heard of crush videos before, but upon finding a news article discussing the arrest of a couple who made them, am now completely horrified. They would find their animals on craigslist... :( :( :(
         

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