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post #81 of 88 Old 03-25-2010, 07:23 PM
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No problem. Like I said there are worse things that can happen to your child than wearing a backpack buddy.
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post #82 of 88 Old 03-25-2010, 09:35 PM
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Discilpine of the child is not at the heart of the issue. A toddler, even the best behaved one, has a limit to their attention span. They see a big shiny truck in the parking lot and don't think about it. They just go. They are babies. They make mistakes. My 18 month old knows that when he is not in the sling he holds the cart, but if he sees a balloon, for instance, he could loose focus and may well bolt. And I mean bolt. The little buggers are QUICK. You can't expect a toddler to keep their focus for the entire length of a shopping trip. My son has not worn one yet (a harness), and I admit I have never been much of a fan. However, I'm expecting my second baby in July/Aug and it has me thinking hard about getting one. The thought of juggling a newborn and managing a tot in the grocery store parking lot is frightening. It's just a matter of keeping our precious little ones safe...
I wanted to add to the OP, that although you had experience with your nephew who never needed a leash, it doesn't mean that every kid that has one on is poorly parented and undisciplined. Some parents are trying to be proactive with the safety of their kids. And yes, when you have kids one day, despite your best efforts they will have tantrums in the cereal isle, bolt for the balloon and display untold naughty behaviour that you swore you would never tollerate in your own offspring. You will just have a different perception of it all. I guess all I am saying is try not to judge to harshly.
I have a confession, though...yeaterday I put my kid in the sick pen when the vet showed up unexpectedly to palpate a mare! I put him in there with a couple barn cats, a couple little feed buckets and a feed scoop...kid had a blast.

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post #83 of 88 Old 03-25-2010, 09:48 PM
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Lol, sick pen..play pen...same difference.

Kids really have no concept of "human dignity" at that age... the only person embarrassed by a harness is the person who chooses to be. As you can tell by the responses on this thread alone, you are going to see plenty more people for leashes than against, and usually the ones who are still embarrassed by them do not have kids.

The parents have usually lost their high and mighty dignity long before when they were splay legged in front of a hive of doctors and nurses grunting , screaming, and pooing on themselves giving birth, being spit up on, whipping their tatties out in public to breast feed, and dragging a screaming convulsing tantrum throwing child through the doctors, grocery store, library, church, pharmacy, what have you.

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The whole dignity thing...have you ever seen a toddler strip down to their birthday suit and do summersaults? NO shame, completely hillarious.

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post #85 of 88 Old 03-25-2010, 10:18 PM
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Or decorate their bedroom in their own poop, not to mention walk ad run and do somersaults with that same poop squishing around in their pants... Or eat boogers and bugs and throw up food and try to eat it again... not much dignity there either.

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You guys make some VERY good points on the dignity thing.

Thinking about how my friend's kids were during the 'close are optional' phase and trying to fit the word dignity into it just makes me laugh.
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post #87 of 88 Old 03-26-2010, 08:32 AM
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While I never needed to use a harness/leash with my children (they are 81/2 years apart) my sister did with her middle child. Haven't seen any lasting damage to him and he's 22 now. Oh, and he's a police officer along with volunteer fireman and an EMT. I guess you could stretch the argument that perhaps the early lesson in safety was long lasting! LOL!You do what you need to to keep your child safe.

I think Shesinthebarn stated it very well. BTW, I applaud you for your "creative" solution with your son when the vet was there!

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post #88 of 88 Old 03-26-2010, 03:54 PM
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I think it's my time to response again.

Yes, kids don't have that much inhibitions that age but I meant that things happened in childhood can affect on you afterwards. Even yes, I admit a leash isn't perhaps the most traumatic one, even people experience things different way and I can imagine that it'd perhaps be if used incorrectly.

About the argument of losing your human dignity during a birth: People do have different sense of morals ans dignity (don't know if these are the best words to describe what I mean but don't find anything better now) and I wouldn't automatically equate these ones. Like I said earlier, people experience things different way. Besides that being "not so clean" (if you catch birthing like that) at some moment doesn't need to decrease dignity of some other thing.


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As you can tell by the responses on this thread alone, you are going to see plenty more people for leashes than against, and usually the ones who are still embarrassed by them do not have kids.
I wouldn't either see a leash embarrassing. It can be more about values. You don't need to feel the thing you're against is embarrassing, but more like... just something you just don't like about. I see it don't absolutely need to be something related to your age or a point of a life span... Like I said, people can also try to find other solutions or then change their opinion later (read my previous response).

Yes, seems most of people are for leashes at least over here.

Ugh... I think I've gone bit over now and sound more "enthusiastic" than I actually am . This isn't the thing I feel I have to make a mountain out of a molehill, just wanted to give an opposite view for your new arguments.


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