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post #31 of 33 Old 04-09-2011, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
This video annoys me. I'm only half way through and I'm legitimately angry. I have ADHD and I guarantee you, ADHD does not just mean you cannot pay attention to some things. I have sat down and cried because I haven't been able to clean my own bedroom thanks to ADHD. I have to have things in lists and have an order in which those things have to be done. I can't just be thrown into a, say, messy bedroom and be told to clean it. There are too many things I could do and I think about all of them at the same time and then I get confused and really upset because I can't do it. There's an unbelievable how pathetic you feel about yourself when you can't clean up your own bedroom because you don't know what do to.

Last year, in my Psychology class, I did my final project on ADHD because it was something I already knew about, as a point in the project, I didn't take my ritalin (I only ever do when I have to get something done). It took me EIGHT HOURS to write a 2.5 page paper. It was supposed to be 3 pages. I ended up getting full credit because I did that.

I get so stressed and there are huge chunks of my day that I have no recollection of because I zoned out. I am going to try a friend's Adderall because my ritalin has started giving me a headache when it wears off and then I get tired. That's my only issue with it. I get things done when I take it. I feel better because I can go "Hey. I cleaned my entire apartment in 2 hours. This would have taken me days to do otherwise."

And diagnosis for ADHD is usually being questioned about your life and how you deal with things and then a TOVA test. A TOVA is this like 20 minute test where you listen to two different tones, one high and one low. Every time you hear either the high one or the low one (depending on which they tell you), you press a little clicker. I had taken this when I was younger, so I knew about it when I finally convinced my mother to let me get retested a couple years ago. The guy told me I would be taking one and I basically begged him not to make me do that. I hate it. He told me later after figuring everything out that he figured I had it when I said that. Normal people thing it's annoying to sit for 20 minutes pressing a clicker at sounds. If you have ADHD, it's torture.

There are side effects with every form of medication. Everyone is different and will react differently. This video seems very propagandistic.

I would have found a different psychiatrist.
Po, this is so true. My son was diagnosed with ADHD at a young age. I was in disbelief. I didn't want him on Ritalin as I figured he was just being a normal child. When he told me how he felt about himself and how he hated himself at the age of 9 I knew something had to be done. At first he was offered extra help in school. Thank God for his teacher. She was so helpful and gave him time to have his "melt downs". But it became clear that his focus just was not there.

So we decided it was time to talk to a doctor. He put my son on a low dose of Aderall first. When this didn't help he put him on Ritalin. I was so upset as a mother that my child was on such a drug. I was concerned about him being a zombie and it hurt me thinking he would be like that. But when he was not acting like a zombie but more focused and becoming a more confident student is when we all realized that it was helping not hindering.

My son is now 12 and is a very smart and confident person. He knows when he needs his meds and when he doesn't. He will go without the meds during the summer and resume in the fall for school. He actually is getting ready to be weaned off completely. But will always have that as a safety net. Never easy to have ADHD. But your perspective on cleaning your room is exactly how he must feel. Thank you for that eye opener.
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Po, thank you very much for sharing your story and information. You gave a couple of details that have really set me back and made me think.

My daughter is 12 going on 13. She has always had attentioin and focus problems, but I have resisted the idea that she has ADD because 1.) She is not hyperactive. 3.) She can focus intently on something that interests or engages her - spend hours meticulously completing an art project or read something she enjoys. Previously we've concentrated on coping strategies - keeping to a set schedule and routine for schoolwork; having music on to block on other distractions, etc. She's always done better in a smaller class and with some one on one.

However, this year it seems to be worse (puberty?) and she's really struggling in school. So your saying that the hyperactivity piece is more common with boys, and that chronic onset in girls is usally at puberty hit home.

The part about your complete inability to clean your room also really hit home. She is definitely a kid who is paralyzed/overwhelmed by large, complex tasks. She can only manage if I break it down into steps for her, and does better if I stay with her and encourage her.
I have never known how much of that is being a kid, and how much might be something else.

So I think it's time to consider testing. Thank you for sharing your story.

Now, on to the original topic.

I think the maker of the video loses any and all credibility by the "can't see it or touch it" argument. As other posters have explained eloquently, some of the biochemical processes of mental illness are well understood and well documented.

A more persuasive and credible video could have been made about over diagnosing and over prescribing. Situational depression is different than chronic chemical depression, and there's a whole range of mood disorders less severe than bipolar disorder. Situational depression and some of the lesser mood disorders do not necessarily require meds. And the control that Big Pharma has over the medical community is a large part of the overdiagnosing and overmedicating.

I saw counselors/therapists on and off for years for family issues and situational depression. Some of them were unhelpful, some were good, one was great. At one point the great one said "I think we're dealing with something else here. I want you to consult with a psychiatrist." I eventually ended up on meds, which probably saved my life. Certainly improved my quality of life. I believe that's the correct progression - I started with self help, then LCSWs and pyschologists with talk and cognitive therapy and went to see a shrink on their recommendation. Too many times patients go directly to the MD without trying other methods, and not surprisingly, they end up medicated.

However, just because there's overdiagnosing and overmedicating doesn't mean that there isn't real merit to some of the diagnosises and meds.
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You two are very welcome.

It just bothers me to no end when people do no research on the actual symptoms of ADHD and it's effects on normal life when they decide their children have it. The majority of children medicated for it are 5 year olds on a sugar high and their parents zombie them out. Then inattentive ADHD people go completely unnoticed because you can't tell something is different about you because you can't know what it's like for other people unless you explain you experiences in great detail.

None of my friends nor my mother would understand what I meant when I explain that whole spiel I wrote before. My mom blamed it on lack of sleep. Yeah, the lack of sleep was caused by not being able to shut my brain off at night or staying up until the wee hours of the morning doing homework.

I dunno. The way I see it, the world thinks ADHD is just being spacey or completely off-the-wall with energy, which means you need to be medicated until you're basically sedated. Which is as far away from the truth as possible. I, personally, am both Inattentive and Hyperactive. I explained the Inattentive part, which is the worse of the two in me, but as for Hyperactive, I just fidget. I love to fidget. I tap my feet all the time and I'm the annoying one who will click their pen all the time. I don't realize I'm fidgeting until someone points it out either.

Just my two cents. :] And I'm glad you two do not fall into the category of "the rest of the world".
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