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        06-03-2007, 08:21 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Great topic!

    Answer: Yes, definitely!

    Creation, who says in the beginning that a day and a night comprised 24 hours... Maybe they comprised a million years...? Who knows? Time was created too.

    There is proof that there was indeed a global flood...

    I have seen miracles that have no other possiblilty. As a nurse, many years ago there was a patient (premie) that had a necrotic bowel. Tests and surgery were performed, there was no hope. Three of us nurses got together and prayed over this baby. The next morning there was no sign of any necrotic bowel. The baby was very healthy. Again tests were done as, well, the Dr. Was in a state of shock, the baby was not expected to last the night. There was not even a sign that it had even had this problem. As we were praying we each felt a presence, and a light touch on one shoulder as if someone had place a hand there. Our hands which were over the baby became very hot for a few seconds. Then everything went back to normal. NT: ("Where three or more are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.")

    This is not isolated, there are many, many other instances, all documented.

    I understand the difficulty of believing, everything is baised on faith, and many people have difficulty with this. To believe something we can't see, feel, taste, hear... blindly with total commitment is not easy.

    For evil: Well, I believe it exists, I have felt it. I believe there are certain laws beyond our understanding that are followed. One is we all have total free will. We choose. Evil can kill us, it cannot take our soul unless we permit it. Our soul is eternal, this body, this life is finite, our soul is not. God does not "allow" or "not allow" us to be killed, things happen, people have free will. He will allow our soul to belong to him if we wish it, and after death we may go to him. He can interviene if he choses, he does not always choose to do so. Why? I don't know. Maybe the rules/laws again. Maybe there is a destiny, maybe something worse would happen to the person if he/she stayed? I can come up with lots of ideas... Doesn't really matter. I believe we are hear to learn to follow his teachings, learn to love, to forgive, to follow him. Once we have achieved this, our lives here are not so terribly important. If we belong to him, it's how we feel. I am not afraid to die. I definitely do NOT want to. But I'm not afraid to. We all will eventually...

    I don't have a problem with people who don't believe, or who have other beliefs. I hope all people have a chance to believe, but after that it is up to the individual. I'm not offended. Free will.

    And this is turning into a book, so I'll quit now!
         
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        06-03-2007, 09:02 PM
      #12
    Yearling
    Dave -
    Yes, I am familiar with Buddhism.

    I said things with lack of detail. I am also familiar with the Law of Conservation. I believe in a higher power and your definition of God may not be the same as mine. (Completely okay, too!) I won't comment on the last section of your reply as not to be rude but rather to keep this an open discussion with no attempts to convert or alter someone's beliefs.

    I will keep this an open thread ONLY on the basis that this thread remains open minded and no one attempts to convert another member, prove someone wrong or/and disrespect someone's beliefs. If anyone crosses this line, it will be closed without hesitation.

    I say this to everyone, not just Dave. (I'm not picking on you!) I hope this discussion remain a good one.
         
        06-04-2007, 04:57 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    I agree a very good topic!

    For me I believe in a higher power and that a man called Jesus lived- whether he was the son of god i'm not sure.

    I used to be a full christian- now after looking at diffrent beliefs etc i'm not sure.

    I fully believe there is a higher power or god of some description, but I also believe in reincarnation and karma> so I guess i'm agnostic?
         
        06-04-2007, 07:44 AM
      #14
    Foal
    Quote:
    Dave -
    Yes, I am familiar with Buddhism.

    I said things with lack of detail. I am also familiar with the Law of Conservation. I believe in a higher power and your definition of God may not be the same as mine. (Completely okay, too!) I won't comment on the last section of your reply as not to be rude but rather to keep this an open discussion with no attempts to convert or alter someone's beliefs.

    I will keep this an open thread ONLY on the basis that this thread remains open minded and no one attempts to convert another member, prove someone wrong or/and disrespect someone's beliefs. If anyone crosses this line, it will be closed without hesitation.

    I say this to everyone, not just Dave. (I'm not picking on you!) I hope this discussion remain a good one.
    That is fair enough, I was a bit hesitant by posting this topic as it does normally apply as a 'debate' and can very easily turn into a mud slinging match! I personally wont as I am somewhat of a universalist in that I believe that essentially it is 'each to his/her own religion'. I am as yet undecided as to atheism's place in my beliefs... that is curently what I am trying to get my head around!
    For clarification - if someone posts a 'problem' with actual belief in God (not specific religions) are you allowed to explain your take on it or would this be considered trying to convert?
         
        06-04-2007, 07:54 AM
      #15
    Foal
    To Desertgal --- the creation story is indeed very interesting in that so many people have a different take on it! I have met people who will stamp their foot and go 'young earth creation is the ONLY way!' and then I have met people who will say the same about theistic evolution --- it seems there are little go betweens! I am personally compelled by the idea that Genesis 1 + 2 is more of a symbolic truth in that it is not so much how God created but why that is important; if you look through the text it tells you so much about God and yet so many people get hooked up on the plain boring "factual" bits.
    The miracle you described by the way is pretty amazing! You only need one more to be classed as a saint when you die by the way...

    Showpony@heart - I would say that you are a showpony@heartist. You have devised your own philosophies that are individual to you. As far as compatibility of reincarnation/rebirth and kamma/karma goes with Christianity; you would be very surprised how easily they can match together. Sin and kamma for example are practically the same thing! As far as rebirth goes; there is evidence of it existing to a point in the Bible - I'll have to find an article on it somewhere!
         
        06-04-2007, 11:32 AM
      #16
    Foal
    I believe in God. I am christian and I have a personal experience that makes me believe even more. Well for a while my dad was experienceing pains in his chest and numbness in his arm. Well he said he promised God that if he felt it one more time, he would go to the hospital. Well he wa on his way to work and about to get on the bridge but he got that feeling again, so he kept hi promise to God and got off on the net exit rght before goingon the bridge and went to the hopital. As he walked in the ER with his had over his heart, he almost passed out(which is good he wasnt on the brigde when that happened) then they tok some tests and told him that what he was experienceing was heart attacks. They looked at his heart and told him that 1 of his arteries were 100 percent clogged and 4 others were 95 percent clogged. (so I could have already lost him but things got even worse...) Right before they were going to do open heart surgery, he started throwing up blood(half a bucket full!!) they realized he had a bleeding ulcer. If it would have happened 5 min when they had already started the surgery, he would have died. But they had enough time to patch up his ulcer then do his heart surgery. So God had his plan to keep my dad here. There were many ways that he could have gone but he didnt. And im glad. :)
         
        06-04-2007, 07:04 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    To Desertgal --- the creation story is indeed very interesting in that so many people have a different take on it! I have met people who will stamp their foot and go 'young earth creation is the ONLY way!' and then I have met people who will say the same about theistic evolution --- it seems there are little go betweens! I am personally compelled by the idea that Genesis 1 + 2 is more of a symbolic truth in that it is not so much how God created but why that is important; if you look through the text it tells you so much about God and yet so many people get hooked up on the plain boring "factual" bits.
    I agree! The bible was written by people a very, very long time ago. They needed to be able to understand... And at that time, many concepts were beyond their abilities... Their world was very different, and the way they percieved everything was different. So, what was told to them was told in a way they could understand and accept.

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    The miracle you described by the way is pretty amazing! You only need one more to be classed as a saint when you die by the way...
    Oh my! I would like to pass on that! But it sure did feel good to be a part of helping that baby.
         
        06-05-2007, 12:48 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote- I agree! The bible was written by people a very, very long time ago. They needed to be able to understand... And at that time, many concepts were beyond their abilities... Their world was very different, and the way they percieved everything was different. So, what was told to them was told in a way they could understand and accept.

    Desert gal- I think that is a very good way of thinking about the whole creation idea- That it was told in a way for people to accept and understand
         
        06-05-2007, 11:28 AM
      #19
    Foal
    Hmm... I think it is most certainly important also to remember that 'how' really isn't that important - so many people tend to get so hung on on this question that it literally becomes a deciding factor of their faith. God is God whether or not He created in 7 days, 7 weeks, 7 years or 15 billion years or whether he created as exactly by Genesis or by the symbolic version of Genesis.

    Desertgal - I forgot to add that unfortunately the full requirement is 2 miracles and to be dead... this may prove a little less desirable now! There are so many amazing miracles out there; it is almost too hard to distinguish between them + all of the "Jesus on toast miracles" seem to make the headlines when your personal story will most probably never be broadcast in any shape or form. It is sad really that the media prefer the gimmicks rather than the actual miracles which do cause you to stop and think properly.
         
        08-09-2007, 12:38 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    I only just opened this topic, what fun!!

    I do believe in higher powers, though due to my up bringing I am inclined to believe in many and not just one, similar to ancient Greek. A god for this, a god for that. I am not strict and I'm open to all beliefs and I can't abide those who say "this is the one and only and you must believe!!!!" this is a pet hate of mine and not implied to any of the above
         

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