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post #21 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 08:26 PM
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For gosh sakes they took you out to dinner for your birthday!! Grateful much?

I think you would have a lot more important things to get your panties in a wad about.

As for the waitress... any waitress worth their salt would wait if they weren't busy and wouldn't wait if they were busy, especially if the people have been in before.
Also, I guarantee the waitress only cares if she gets a good tip.

Give me a customer that prays any day over the costumer with 3 brats eating crackers, screaming, crying and leaving a pigsty when they exit.

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post #22 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 09:14 PM
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It was actually breakfast they treated her to for her birthday. And saddlebag, if you knew these peops did this before you accepted the invitation, well what did you expect?
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post #23 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Le007 View Post
I'd like to see the Biblical reference where Jesus says to 'closet your beliefs'? That's a new one on me.
I think the OP may have that out of Context.

Jesus was not talking about praying before a meal, He was talking about an deeds (good works) you have done for others and keeping them secret...

Mathew 6
"1 Take care not to do your good works before men, to be seen by them; or you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 When then you give money to the poor, do not make a noise about it, as the false-hearted men do in the Synagogues and in the streets, so that they may have glory from men. Truly, I say to you, They have their reward. 3 But when you give money, let not your left hand see what your right hand does: 4 So that your giving may be in secret; and your Father, who sees in secret, will give you your reward. 5 And when you make your prayers, be not like the false-hearted men, who take pleasure in getting up and saying their prayers in the Synagogues and at the street turnings so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, They have their reward. 6 But when you make your prayer, go into your private room, and, shutting the door, say a prayer to your Father in secret, and your Father, who sees in secret, will give you your reward."

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post #24 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 09:34 PM
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I'm just wondering how praying, even out loud, makes them forcing their beliefs on you. I'd hope that you and anyone else listening aren't gullible enough to, after just HEARING something from someone, feel the compulsion to convert right then and there to whatever might be said...

Yes its a bit rude to pray before the waitress it totally finished serving food, but to pray in public in general? Ridiculous. Its like saying you shouldn't talk in a private conversation about one football team over another in a public place because if you do, people might just be paying attention and could disagree with you. I bet if this was on any subject besides religion it wouldn't be a problem at all. If the people praying aren't disturbing the peace by yelling, chanting, doing a hokus pokus dance around the table, or sacrificing things, what is the problem? We live in 'free' countries for a reason.

If you really can get that embarrassed by a prayer, and really feel like it is going to affect you that negatively, just don't go with them again. They took you out to breakfast for your birthday though...surely you can muster up the courage to have a few onlookers listen in on you.

As for your father, that's all well and fine that he didn't want to pray in a public place, but that doesn't mean no one should. Especially if it is quiet and in your own table. It isn't like you friends stood on a chair, announced that they were going to bless everyone's food, and demanded that everyone close their eyes, bow their heads, hold hands, and shout Amen at the end. The verse you mentioned is out of context too...its actually a whole set of verses about how Christians who pray and do 'good' deeds for other people in public just so that they can hear their own voice and boast about how great they are and how kind they are for doing god things, NOT about asking blessing for food before eating. And if you think about it, with as much negative reaction as christianity gets these days from so many people, there is a slim chance your friends were praying just so everyone would see how 'holy' they were or something.

I'll even let you in on a secret. Praying can sometimes be a bit embarrassing for us too...ESPECIALLY when we know they are people watching us and judging. But we are doing what we believe is right in thanking our God for what we have been given. I know of no Christian (or person of a different religion to be honest) who prays for food just to be ridiculed or to convert other people.

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This thread makes me so sad. I was expecting a screaming fit in the restaurant or a tray of food dropped on your head. I am not a part of any organized religion. I am rather anti-church(not anti God, mind you). It does not bother me in the slightest bit when people pray around me, quiet or loud. I respect them by quietly observing where I will not participate. So what if I must wait a few moments before I eat. I respect them. As for the waitress, it is called customer service. I doubt the prayer was long enough to jeopardize the woman's job. These people did nothing wrong. They did nothing to harm anyone.

I feel this video fits rather well here on the topic of respect. I wonder if this reporter was offended at this Jamaican track runner pausing her interview. She didn't sound American. Why should she have to stand quietly through the anthem. How dare he show respect to another country and force someone else to do the same.
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post #26 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 10:09 PM
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I came from a family who went to church on Sunday as a child but we were never actually very serious about it. As children we never prayed at the table, and certainly not in a restaurant. My mom died years ago and dad has been seeing a woman for years who is religious. Now when they go to a restaurant, she and my dad bow there head and pray before a meal. They must take at least a full minute to do so and lots of times the waitress returns to the table to bring drinks or something. It is very awkward IMHO. I am not a believer so I just sit there and stare around the room while they do it and do admit to feeling a bit embarrassed. But, they always pay for the meal, so I keep it to myself....
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post #27 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 11:22 PM
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This thread is insulting.

Why judge people for showing their faith? I personally pray before my meals, I have a moment of silence to thank my god. And then I carry on with my day.

This is exactly what I worry about, people judging.

Yeah holding up the waitress could have been rude, but other than that; what's causing all the upset here?
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post #28 of 63 Old 04-05-2014, 11:24 PM
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A server has no requirement to join someone's conversation or prayer, or stop serving in observance of a customer's prayer efforts. If the server were embarrassed, I am guessing it is b/c they weren't sure what the "right thing" was to do, professionally - which wouldn't seem to be the fault of the folks that started praying. To me, unless someone directly signals to a server to stop serving them, then they are suppose to continue doing what they are suppose to do.

I was raised a devout atheist :) and taught to respect other's beliefs. The religious "behavior" of friends and family (relatives) never mattered to me, and vice versa. Live and let live, it is so much more pleasant that way.

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I think the thing is that the couple very abruptly, without word or warning, decided to pray RIGHT THEN when food was being served, putting the waitress in an awkward situation and their companion in one too.

They could have waited 30 seconds until the server had walked away. They could have told the OP, "Hey we are going to give a quick prayer". But no, they were so adamant about their prayer that they just ignored everyone else and prayed.

On a more personal note..
Most people I know that pray at meals also get offended if you don't stop what you're doing and give a moment of silence or join in the prayer. Not everyone prays - to their god or any god - and to expect someone to sit in quiet observance of your (general you) religion and completely disregard their beliefs, is kind of rude, IMO. It really makes for awkward moments at work and at my in-laws when I don't want to hold hands and bow my head to a deity I don't believe in, and even more awkward to know that if I professed my true feelings, and offered words of my own I would also again be considered a provocateur.

If you want to pray, then go ahead and pray. However, just as you (general you) expect people to tolerate your prayer, tolerate other prayers to other deities and also tolerate those who simply don't pray at all and carry on with their meal.

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I fail to see how this would jeopardize the waitress doing her job? She has no obligation to stand there and pray with them, that's not her job, continue serving.

I also don't see how your two hosts - who were kind enough to take you to eat - were forcing their religion on you by simply praying before they ate? Did they tell you you needed to pray as well? I am going to guess no.

I'm not religious, but I am also not NOT religious. I grew up going to church and Sunday school and youth groups. My dad's side of the family is fairly religious. My mum's is not - though they have absolutely no problem with religion and don't judge those who are religious. I chose not to pray before meals. I regularly go out to restaurants with my religious side of the family. They all pray before they eat, in public or not. Rarely, I will join, but most of the time I sit there quietly/or start my dinner. This doesn't bother them or me.

My boyfriends family is religious (more cultural, they are aboriginal/african american). They do not pray at meals, but other times of day. My boyfriend is not entirely into their religion, though he does pray silently when he feels it's needed. I am the same way.

My apologies for the ramble, but I do feel that it is completely ignorant of anyone to say it's wrong or interfering with others for one to simply pray before they eat. That's their choice, let them do that.
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