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    04-26-2011, 10:36 PM
  #1
Foal
Environmental Awareness?

Just curious, how many of you consider yourselves environmentally conscious?

For those of you who are, how do you live your lives in a "green" way, and why is this important to you?

For those of you who aren't, why aren't you motivated to care?
     
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    04-26-2011, 10:59 PM
  #2
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I think most people care about the enviroment but some of us are smart enough to look past the agenda driven special intrest groups and see what is actually happening in the world.

There is a natural warming trend in some areas of the world that is not man caused. Man-made global warming is a house of cards that is being held up by groups that have much to gain (mainly billions of dollars). The lenght of the list of independent scientists that dispute global warming is growing longer and longer while the evidence supporting it is getting thinner and thinner.

The EPA in this country is making more and more demands on businesses in the name of the enviroment which ironicly is driving many businesses to China which has no such agency and does nothing more than pay lip service to enviromental issues.

Modern agriculture keeps millions of people from starving every day and does so in the most enviromentally responsible way currently available. Many people think that organic farming is the way to go, however, organic farming can only support about 10% of the population. Also, pesticides and chemical fertilizers have NEVER been proven to kill anybody but many people die from E-coli and Salmonella which is abundant in organic produce because they are fertilized with animal and sometimes human feces.

I hope that more people will stop turning to youtube for thier information and start investigating how things actually work.
     
    04-26-2011, 11:14 PM
  #3
Foal
I agree that warming and cooling happens naturally, but I also believe that human activities are augmenting this warming to a degree that would not exist otherwise. Do you disagree that both man-made and natural chemicals emitted through human activities are proliferating global warming? And if so, on what grounds?

Although I don't know enough about current agricultural practices to formulate a fully informed opinion, my belief now is that the food industry is more interested in profit than feeding the world and isn't necessarily doing it in the most environmentally responsible way possible.

As for organic foods, "organic" is not synonymous for pesticide and chemical free. There are regulations on how much fertilizer and how many chemicals (not sure if what kind is regulated) can be used to be considered organic. I believe there are also different levels of "organic."
     
    04-27-2011, 12:45 AM
  #4
Trained
You seem to be long on opinion and beliefs and short on facts and evidence. I suggest you work to equalize the two sides. The temperature increase is so miniscule that I don't believe that there is much that can or needs to be done about it. I do know quite a bit about agriculture practices and your belief is wrong. First, there is no profit made if the ground is destroyed and there is nothing wrong with a little profit.
     
    04-27-2011, 12:54 AM
  #5
Trained
Honestly, I don't care if humans have effect on global warming or not.

Instead, I rather treat the earth as if we do have an impact, and attempt to do as little damage as I can. I'm not going to waste my time with lobbyists and scientists.

I don't go out of my way to buy organic, but I do buy local. There are enough small farms nearby where I can get my dairy, eggs, and meats direct from the farm.

I try to use as few harsh chemicals as I can, and reduce waste. I recycle when I can (we don't have a very good program here) and generally just try to not over-consume.

I don't buy into things that say "green" on the label, and I'm not going to waste my money on a hybrid car (that uses an INSANE amount of energy to manufacture -- moreso than my Bronco), but I do try to do my part.
     
    04-27-2011, 01:19 AM
  #6
Trained
Very responsible attitude!
     
    04-27-2011, 01:25 AM
  #7
Trained
I suspect most horse owners love the outdoors. However, I think a lot of the green agenda is bunk, so I don't bother. I find the idea that we know the earth's average temperature in 1850 to within a degree - or 10 degrees - laughable. I'm also old enough to remember 'global cooling'! When one accounts for batteries and electrical production, I doubt electric cars will reduce pollution. And I think the EPA is an out of control wacko organization dedicating to harming free enterprise.

I have a friend in Utah who suffers from idiots who cut grazing allotments without ever visiting the grazing sites. The Forest Service, which believed in multiple use when I worked for them 30 years ago, now seems to be imitating the Park Service. Environmental policy is set by city folks who base their feelings on TV rather than science or experience.

I've spent my adult life watching activists who pretend to use science, but draw conclusions divorced from reality. Some wonderful things have been done. I remember when LA was so polluted that someone driving in the fast lane on I-10 would be hard pressed to see the right side of the road. But for every success there is at least one abysmal failure caused by rushing in and letting politicians make decisions based on pee-poor science and hasty conclusions.

< / rant >
     
    04-27-2011, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
Honestly, I don't care if humans have effect on global warming or not.

Instead, I rather treat the earth as if we do have an impact, and attempt to do as little damage as I can. I'm not going to waste my time with lobbyists and scientists.

I don't go out of my way to buy organic, but I do buy local. There are enough small farms nearby where I can get my dairy, eggs, and meats direct from the farm.

I try to use as few harsh chemicals as I can, and reduce waste. I recycle when I can (we don't have a very good program here) and generally just try to not over-consume.

I don't buy into things that say "green" on the label, and I'm not going to waste my money on a hybrid car (that uses an INSANE amount of energy to manufacture -- moreso than my Bronco), but I do try to do my part.
Spastic Dove hit the nail on the head with this post.

I do buy a decent amount of organic products - mainly because I work in a natural grocer (and get a discount, lol) however, I do not say "No" to a product just because it is not organic. Buying locally and/or fair trade is more important in the long run, for everyone.

The biggest thing when it comes to products that claim to be "natural" or "green" is to do research on the company if it's something you truly care about, so that you are not buying hogwash. There are a decent amount of great companies out there that are really making an honest effort to be responsible on all fronts (humanity, environmental, etc) that are worth supporting. You just have to weed out the bad ones.

One thing that I do try to stay natural with is things like cosmetics, soaps, etc. Personally, I have found that these products work way better for skin, hair, etc. when compared to drug store varieties - but again, that may not be the same for everyone.
     
    04-27-2011, 11:29 AM
  #9
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
You seem to be long on opinion and beliefs and short on facts and evidence. I suggest you work to equalize the two sides. The temperature increase is so miniscule that I don't believe that there is much that can or needs to be done about it. I do know quite a bit about agriculture practices and your belief is wrong. First, there is no profit made if the ground is destroyed and there is nothing wrong with a little profit.
I stand by my first belief, and as previously stated, I don't know enough about our current agricultural system to form a sound opinion. I'm still learning - I did not claim that my beliefs were foolproof.

That being said, I don't see your opinions being backed up by facts and evidence either. One of my reasons for posting this thread was to look at the other side. I'm here to learn. Would you mind going into a bit more detail about out agricultural practices?
     
    04-27-2011, 06:58 PM
  #10
Trained
The U.S. Agricultural system is very diverse and while I have worked in agriculture my entire life I have only worked in a few parts of it. The reason that I didn't cite sources is because YOU should do YOUR OWN research and develop your own opinion based on FACT. If you ask an honest question I will do my best to answer it.
     

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