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        06-19-2010, 06:19 PM
      #21
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sissimut-icehestar    
    The volcanic eruption here actually grounded so many flights that in the end, LESS CO2 was emitted that would have been.

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    Go Eyjafjallajökull!

    Edit: My vegetables are grown in greenhouses heated with hot water that gushes from the ground, no environmental damage there.
    I'm sorry but I can smell the smug of your emmissions from here!

    So your telling me that a couple of weeks after this volcano erupted that scientists know for a fact the level of emmissions coming from this volcano? Just like that! No one can actually get close enough to really assess what is coming out of this volcano but you KNOW that it is less than all the planes that were grounded! Really? Really, really?? Isn't this critter still rumbling and coughing and farting? I'm sorry but it is this kind of gullibility that amazes me.

    Oh and by the way what is growing your veges is geothermal activity. If your volcano expends all the geothermic energy trapped under the ground of your country, the chances are that you are not going to have "hot water that gushes from the ground". Also did you know that geothermal energy is not a finite resource? Enough people tapped into it drawing off it everyday and it will expire.
         
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        06-19-2010, 06:22 PM
      #22
    Foal
    Theres evidence to prove it's happened before naturally, we're simply just speeding up the process. When the seas start to boil then we're in trouble.

    I'd do an ENVI major at Uni...you should hear the arguements in the labs!
         
        06-19-2010, 06:31 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kiwigirl    

    The point that I am trying to make is that when a company like Johnson & Johnson or other major companies stand up and say "I am sorry but we are going to have to stop making crap for you people because it is taking too much of a toll on the environment". Or a person in show biz says although we are going to loose a **** load of money, the environment can't stand us running this studio 27/7 anymore so we are going to be using less air time. Or even a government says well we are going to get less tax revenue but we need to stop the manufacture of unneccessary products. Until these things happen I am afraid I can not take environmental issues seriously. Given the state of consumerism how can I?
    I'm going to ignore the little rant and get right to the point of this paragraph. The companies have very little reason to stop making things, celebrities have very little reason to reduce air time, and the government has very little reason to say we need to stop manufacturing unnecessary products unless the public demands it. Do you know why all these green products started popping up, why the media started running show upon show about the environment? Because we wanted them. It starts with us. Sitting back and complaining that you can't take environmental issues seriously until someone else does the work for you does not put you in any position to be taken seriously at all.
         
        06-19-2010, 06:40 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by roro    
    Sitting back and complaining that you can't take environmental issues seriously until someone else does the work for you does not put you in any position to be taken seriously at all.
    Agreed.
         
        06-19-2010, 06:42 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    I know we are having an effect. The thing is to stop having an effect humanity has to change pretty much every level of its existance. Stop the production of items superfluous to our survival, not only do they clutter our rubbish tips but the cost of manufactureing them must be huge. We talk about the problems of maintaining our electricity here in NZ yet TV broadcasts 24/7, people work 24 hour shifts to manufacture junk, servos and fast food joints are open 24/7 to cater to anyone who needs something at 3 in the morning. Imagine if we just halved the amount of time that power was actually needed! Imagine what it would do for our energy resources if we only used them half the time. Wow, what if we went back to the good old days when we worked in the day and slept at night.

    I think that for humanity to truly stop this ride we are on, people have to be willing to say "I am going to make some serious sacrifices". But the truth is people like the life of conveniance they are living. As long as every person continues to live the same type of life tommorrow as they are today then nothing is going to change. So I don't believe I need to worry about climate change because, really, whats the piont?
         
        06-19-2010, 06:49 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Well keep in mind, those jobs that you believe manufacture junk are providing work for people and that junk isn't junk to everyone.

    I do believe that the whole Green fad is wearing thin on people, but that doesn't stop people from doing their parts to make things better.

    As far as the science, that changes every day as we learn more and more about how things work with regard to climate changes. There will always be two sides of the coin, those that support the theory of something and those that don't. It's up to people to educate themselves in both sides and make their minds up accordingly.

    Personally, I think there is something to global warming. I've worked in state fish and wildlife over the last 19 years and have seen fish population seriously decline and not due to harvesting. Ocean conditions are changing drastically.

    It's a difficult science but there is something definitely happening out there.
         
        06-19-2010, 07:37 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by roro    
    I'm going to ignore the little rant and get right to the point of this paragraph. The companies have very little reason to stop making things, celebrities have very little reason to reduce air time, and the government has very little reason to say we need to stop manufacturing unnecessary products unless the public demands it. Do you know why all these green products started popping up, why the media started running show upon show about the environment? Because we wanted them. It starts with us. Sitting back and complaining that you can't take environmental issues seriously until someone else does the work for you does not put you in any position to be taken seriously at all.
    Yeah! That is my Point Exactly! I do not ask for these things! People think that by tuning in to watch a show about the environment that is a good thing but what would be better would be if people decide to not turn on telly at all. The bit that gets to me is the fact that ordinary people shop carefully looking for the most environmentally friendly air freshener but don't ask do I need air freshener it at all?

    What I find difficult to make sense of is the fact that large companies pay emmission taxes and buy carbon credits INSTEAD of having to stop the manufacture of wasteful, pointless products that create rubbish and pollution. As if that is some kind of solution.

    I have to say that "well its what the people want" argument is no argument at all. There are government bodies paid millions of tax payer dollars to "find ways to save the environment" but they wont stop the production of a pointless product because there is a market for it. It seems strange to me that a governing body can get ingrediants which are deemed bad for our health removed from foods. Yet items that have no purpose AT ALL and are very bad for our environment are massed produced and **** the consequences. The difference is that things that create health problems in people end up costing insurance companies and governments a lot of money in health bills. Whereas the mass production of consumer driven crap creates **** loads of money for lots of wealthy people.

    And I don't understand why people aren't as disgusted by the rubbish we are surrounded by as I am. I am on a public forum trying to get people to think about what they buy, to evaluate the products they surround themselves with. To think about the cost to the environment the manufacture of some of the little things that make your life a little more 'civilized' take on the planet.

    I also want people to think about how they use products. Here is one little example. Shampoo/conditioner. How often does the average woman wash her hair? Most of my friends wash thier hair either everyday or every other day. I am the only woman I know who washes her hair once a week or longer, in the summer if I am swimming a lot I may go for weeks with out washing my hair. Do you know what is funny? My hair never gets oily, never gets smelly, never gets tangled (I NEVER brush my hair either by the way) and my friends can not understand why my hair is always so shiny and lovely. It is simple: excessive hair washing is bad for your scalp, on one hand it stimulates the over production of hair oil and on the other hand the chemicals in shampoos strip all the natural conditioners from your hair. And then think about all those chemicals that get washed down the drain by millions of woman EVERYDAY, chemicals that have to go somewhere. And then think about those empty shampoo bottles going to the tip. A bottle of shampoo and conditioner lasts my family months. How about you? How much shampoo do you use? It may be a small thing but every little thing counts.
         
        06-19-2010, 07:49 PM
      #28
    Started
    I'm a weekly hair-washer. Think of the water you save by weekly, too! Speaking of unnecessary water usage, lawns/golf courses really suck it up.
         
        06-19-2010, 08:15 PM
      #29
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kiwigirl    
    I'm sorry but I can smell the smug of your emmissions from here!

    So your telling me that a couple of weeks after this volcano erupted that scientists know for a fact the level of emmissions coming from this volcano? Just like that! No one can actually get close enough to really assess what is coming out of this volcano but you KNOW that it is less than all the planes that were grounded! Really? Really, really?? Isn't this critter still rumbling and coughing and farting? I'm sorry but it is this kind of gullibility that amazes me.

    Oh and by the way what is growing your veges is geothermal activity. If your volcano expends all the geothermic energy trapped under the ground of your country, the chances are that you are not going to have "hot water that gushes from the ground". Also did you know that geothermal energy is not a finite resource? Enough people tapped into it drawing off it everyday and it will expire.
    Quite frankly, I don't think you know what you are talking about. This is not the first volcanic eruption we have had so the numbers are an estimated from previous experience. Even if there is an error, there is such a huge difference between the two numbers that there still would have been a difference.

    The volcano stopped a while ago, however the last time it erupted it was on and off so you never know.

    Also, I live in one of the most geologically active places on earth. We are both situated on the middle of the Mid-Atlantic ridge and on the Iceland hotspot. We are not going to run out of geothermal energy any time soon. And yes, I have studied energy sources so I do infact know that it is not a finite source but it is the far best we can use at the moment. The earth isn't going to run out of heat any time soon.
         
        06-19-2010, 08:16 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Well said reply Sissimut.
         

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