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        06-21-2010, 01:37 PM
      #51
    Yearling
    So, to the OP, do you believe that we should just do nothing? I'm not trying to be nasty, I truely don't understand your point. It seems a bit all over the map from reading your posts cumulatively.
    Is your point that CE's are not an issue and that global warming being affected by polution derived from the human population is a myth or overstated? Do you think we shouldn't recycle? Or is your point that we as a society just need to re-evaluate the products we consume and consume less? After all, the first R in the 3R's of recycling is "reduce", and this is a point I whole heartedly agree with.
    Again, I'm not trying to be arguementative, just want to understand your opinion better.
         
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        06-21-2010, 06:06 PM
      #52
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    The End of the World is Nigh
    It would be nice to think that walking to work instead of driving might save the planet but it won’t. If indeed there is universal Global Warming, as well there might be, it is almost certainly influenced to some degree or another by human activity on this planet.

    It would be nice to know roughly how many humans there were 3000 years ago living largely in caves and mud huts but, at most, it will be a few millions, most of whom did not live that long. One wonders why it took so long for us to get here. The human race in a matter of just 30 centuries really has lit this world up, especially at night. If you want to know how crowded the world is then go to Tinnamen Square in Beijing on a public holiday. If you want to know how empty the World is, then fly over it at 400 mph and look down and see how much is barren, empty, inhospitable land. Later in the flight look out the window and gaze down on all that blue, cold, deep water. Approximately six billion humans actually live on very little of the Earth‘s surface - probably less than 20 percent - (someone please tell me). Ants inhabit more. The trouble is we all want to live in the same places. Many of us worship different gods, speak different languages, eat different foods and have different ideas as to what makes a good leader. We do not all think the same but we all love our own kids. Actually most of us would be happy to live out our lives in a house on a hill overlooking the sea in St Tropez or somewhere else equally delightful in your neck of the woods. There is only one Cote D‘Azure.

    The fact is that there are always too many of us living in the good bits and not enough living in harsh bits. Some of us live high on the hog; not enough of us live as well as we might. Those living well want to keep it that way and those not doing so well want to improve their way of life. That’s understandable isn’t it? But the politicians, those crafty devious chaps who want to keep the voters happy and more importantly in line, threaten us with dire consequences if we don’t toe some line or another. ‘The End of the World is nigh’ is not a new way of thinking. Currently the politicos have developed the concept of Global Warning which has the advantage that they can charge for it. It can be blamed for many of the world‘s imbalances. Unfortunately be aware that if the Yellowstone Park explodes again one day, as well it might, then you’ve got a few days to empty the deep freeze.

    But do not worry, the chances are you will die in a bed - most people do. It is only a question of whose. In the meantime use either Flash or L’Oreal to wash your hair, Procter & Gamble Inc will be pleased either way.
    Barry G
         
        06-21-2010, 06:09 PM
      #53
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    I'm saying that if we hadn't cut back, there would be our pollution AND the volcanic erruption's pollution in the atmosphere. Since we did cut back, there is less pollution in the air than if we hadn't.
    Every little bit helps, in the end.
    Pollution is a problem, whether you "believe in" global warming or not.
    Yes pollution is a problem. However we are being told that it is carbon emissions that are creating climate change, pollution is not the same thing as CE, neither is over population and distruction of animal habitats - these are seperate issues. What I asked is WHERE have we as a species cut back on carbon emissions? Carbon emissions are being created by economic activity - industry, manufacture and the burning of fossils fuel ie most vehicles. So lets say that an erupting volcano creates LESS Carbon emissions than the 24/7 flying of planes. Do you see any less planes in the air? No. Airlines are buying Carbon Credits (not burning less fuel!)to offset carbon emissions.

    If I am beating you around the head with a block of wood, would you prefer I stopped or can I just pay you money to ease the discomfit? If you say you'll take the money, I am going to assume that it isn't really hurting much.
         
        06-21-2010, 06:14 PM
      #54
    Showing
    All I know is that I try and reduce my emissions as much as possible. Just because others aren't doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't. If I reduce what I'm wasting and polluting, and Johnny down the road doesn't, that fine.. at least one of us is, and at least there is SOME reduction even if it isn't major. If I said "eff it" and stopped cutting back, then there would be my emissions AND Johnny's in the air.
    I do what I can, and that helps me sleep at night.
         
        06-21-2010, 06:55 PM
      #55
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shesinthebarn    
    So, to the OP, do you believe that we should just do nothing? I'm not trying to be nasty, I truely don't understand your point. It seems a bit all over the map from reading your posts cumulatively.
    Is your point that CE's are not an issue and that global warming being affected by polution derived from the human population is a myth or overstated? Do you think we shouldn't recycle? Or is your point that we as a society just need to re-evaluate the products we consume and consume less? After all, the first R in the 3R's of recycling is "reduce", and this is a point I whole heartedly agree with.
    Again, I'm not trying to be arguementative, just want to understand your opinion better.
    Yes I did get a bit side tracked. I don't believe that there carbon emissions are a serious problem. There is too strong a money trail to CE regulatory bodies and no actual changes being made for me to believe what I am being told. I am talking about carbon emissions by the way. The emittance of carbon gases into the atmosphere by the burning of fossil fuels and industial practices. These are what we are being told is creating climate change. I have been informed on this thread that the 24/7 flying of airplanes creates more CE than volcanic activity if this planet is in crisis then don't all planes need to be grounded for at least eight hours a day? Well no, because airlines buy carbon credits to offset the planes emissions. If we are being pushed to the brink of disaster by carbon emissions being spewed by factories then shouldn't those factories have to stop producing so many CE's. This can be achieved simply by eliminating the manufacture of products superfluous to human existance, like soft drinks for example. So apparently, here we are on the brink of disaster and manufacturers still have those factories going 24/7 pumping out luxury items AND carbon emissions. But you see they don't have to change anything because in order to offset their carbon footprint they can buy carbon credits.

    So no, everytime I walk through my grocery store and look at all the pretty stuff I realise what an amazing scam the global carbon emissions problem is.

    Now, just because I think that CE are a cash cow, that does not change the problems created by over population and the destruction of habitats and the problems of ground pollution (although there to, less manufacture of crap would go a long way to solving that problem). They are different issues to the CE money machine.
         
        06-22-2010, 02:02 AM
      #56
    Yearling
    The CE trail may lead to a money machine - Dosen't almost everything else as well ? Do you not think that the Oil & Gas industry covertly pay for people to do ' studies ' that convince some that there is not a problem, so that they can still make millions by the continued use of what they produce - some don't care what happens in the future because they aren't part of it .

    P.S. The North Polar Ice Cap has now ( 20/06/2010 ) 1.4 Million Square Kilometers less sea ice then the mean average - that's a 200,000 increase in the average melt than yesterday.
         

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