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post #11 of 226 Old 03-26-2013, 05:42 PM
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IMO, it will eventually be legalized. It's just a matter of time. I know it is a simplistic way to look at it but history has proven itself that eventually, things change.

I find the most interesting piece of this is considering whether or not homosexuality is a 'sin'. Your religion is not my religion, my God is not your God. How is it that you can force your sin or your God upon me? I have a totally different relationship with God than anyone else does. My relationship is my own and my sin is my own.

Honestly, we don't even know for sure if there is a hell. Do we??
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Actually, as a legal matter, the argument should be "Does the US Constitution require it?" And that answer is obviously no. But in modern America, it will be decided by a popular vote held of 9 judges living a rarefied life rather than expecting Congress to pass laws, or allowing the states to do as they see fit. Remember - there is nothing STOPPING a state from allowing homosexual marriages. A number already do. In California, Prop 8 could be overturned by a Prop 209, if the voters wish.

"Her partner has no legal status where the family/children are concerned."

That could be dealt with by a contract. Ever hear of a power of attorney?

"When NC passed their constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage, they effectively labeled these children as Bast@rds, which I find horrible."

I've known a number of single moms, none of whose kids were suffering stigmatization as '*******s'. So why is it different for your friends? And if you had Muslim friends, should they be allowed polygamous marriages, in accordance with their religion, and overturning the laws of the USA?
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post #13 of 226 Old 03-26-2013, 06:11 PM
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I guess my problem is, as soon as you say a state "Allows" something than it isnt a freedom or right.
Im betting the Court is gonna say this is a state issue. and throw out the DOM act.
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DOMA affects federal law ONLY. Federal law cannot be defined by state law.

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Just a reminder about this case, borrowing a good summary from Wiki:

"Same-sex couples and government entities filed numerous lawsuits with the California Supreme Court challenging the proposition's validity and effect on previously administered same-sex marriages. In Strauss v. Horton, the California Supreme Court upheld Proposition 8, but allowed existing same-sex marriages to stand (under the grandfather clause principle).

United States District Court Judge Vaughn Walker overturned Proposition 8 on August 4, 2010 in the case Perry v. Schwarzenegger, ruling that it violated both the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the United States Constitution. Walker issued an injunction against enforcing Proposition 8 and a stay to determine suspension of his ruling pending appeal."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...n_8_%282008%29

The ruling was in FEDERAL court. It used the US Constitution to effectively require homosexual marriages, since the ruling said a ban on homosexual marriage violated the US Constitution. If returned to the states, then Prop 8 stands. But if the 9th Circuit ruling is affirmed by the US Supreme Court, then states will effectively be required to permit homosexual marriage.

I believe DOMA will be argued tomorrow. It is the federal law defining what marriage means when used in federal law.

Pro or con, the news reporting on this has been confusing, IMHO. Or maybe I'm just not very smart...

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Improper grammar on my part.
Gay marriage state issue. (period) (New sentence separate thought) DOM unconstitutional. Thats what I meant they have two cases.
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Sorry, I'm EXTREMELY eager to respond but I'm stuck in class right not. Don't think if ditched this post. ;)

Fact of the matter is marriage extends WAY BEYOND religion. It IS intertwined into out government, hence the 1000+ benefit denied to same sex couples. Why should I have to hire an attorney for something automatically handed to others. Especially for people who marry NOT because they love each but for benefits people are trying so hard to fight for.
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^^ Does your state allow civil unions?

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^^ Does your state allow civil unions?
My state allows gay marriage :)

"civil unions" are like the separate but equal movement. It's not equal. I don't see.any straight people getting civil unions. Even non religious get actual marriages.
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What gets me is, the government will say oh it is against the teachings of the bible and God, but at the same time has taken God out of everything! Gah!

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