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        03-26-2013, 07:59 PM
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    What about the CONSTITUTIONAL right to a "pursuit of happiness......."
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        03-26-2013, 08:13 PM
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    What gets me is, the government will say oh it is against the teachings of the bible and God, but at the same time has taken God out of everything! Gah!
    I think this is the most frustrating thing. Sure, your RELIGION says homosexuality is bad (i totally don't believe that God doesn't like gay people, I think this is something taken to literally or out of context.
    It was a dramatically different world back then!) but that doesn't mean your faith based beliefs have to be the standard for the country. For example, there are plenty of people who are still racist, doesn't mean we should institute any deportation to native lands. That would outrage people! Then why not send white people back to where they came from? White people are no more "special" or "entitled" then black, Asian, or Spanish people. Just like there is no superior religion or culture. So why do we have a superior sexuality?
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        03-26-2013, 09:16 PM
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    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
    IMO, it will eventually be legalized. It's just a matter of time. I know it is a simplistic way to look at it but history has proven itself that eventually, things change.

    I find the most interesting piece of this is considering whether or not homosexuality is a 'sin'. Your religion is not my religion, my God is not your God. How is it that you can force your sin or your God upon me? I have a totally different relationship with God than anyone else does. My relationship is my own and my sin is my own.

    Honestly, we don't even know for sure if there is a hell. Do we??
    In my eyes no God (meaning higher being, not one particular) is going to judge people biased on who they love. People will be judge on their moral behavior. My sexuality has nothing to do with being a good person or not. It doesn't prevent me from working hard, helping others and giving my time. I would say I'm of pretty high, or at lease good, moral standing.

    I highly doubt Jesus would be out there trying to oppress groups of people. He was a healer, a teacher and a roll model for good character. I'm sure he is face palming up in heaven at the mere thought of people the the westboro community church doing things like saying the Sandy Hook shootings were because of CTs approval on gay marriage... Really? Posted via Mobile Device
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        03-26-2013, 09:42 PM
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    Green Broke
    And hence my point. Gods view, or whether you think it is good or bad isnt relevant. I can't speak for God, I do know it isnt my place to judge others for actions that don't affect me.
    I think gays should have every right to be just as miserable as the rest of us. WHy should they get off so easy ?
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        03-26-2013, 10:51 PM
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    I suppose this could be considered hijacking, just jumping in and throwing my thoughts around, but I just need to get a few things out.

    The first thing I would like to say is that I'm 15 years old, and a Christian. And no, I'm not religious; I'm a faithful servant of Christ who devoted my life to Him and vowed to serve Him and live my life to glorify Him. I go by no rules, no regulations, except for living the way God wants me to. I think it's quite sad how so many people think Christians are "homosexual haters" who would pay anything to see every homosexual be condemned to hell. I'm not one of these people. In fact, I know a lot of Christians who aren't.

    The thing is, God doesn't hate homosexuals. He loves them. He loves them as much as He loves me, as much as He loves you, as much as He loves every murderer or thief or prostitute. He even loves the people who despise Him. Because God is love. The thing that many people don't understand is that God hates the sin that homosexuals commit, not the homosexuals themselves. He loves murderers, but he hates the crime they've done.

    I personally do not support gay marriage, but that won't stop me from respecting the opinions of other people who do. I can't start a fight just because I think gay marriage is wrong and I certainly wouldn't ever try to change anyone's opinion. And as a Christian, I'm going to acknowledge my downfalls. So many people think that Christians are high-and-mighty arrogant snobs who take a look at you and automatically assume you're a huge sinner. The truth is, I'm a huge sinner too. I sin just as much as everyone else in the world, just in different ways than others. Because not everyone is the same.

    I just saw the posts on here about God and "religion" and I just wanted you all to see how I see things. And it doesn't matter if you support gay marriage, it doesn't matter if you had a kid when you were 16, it doesn't matter if you spent half your life in jail. God loves and forgives. God is love.

    -Kennedi
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        03-26-2013, 10:58 PM
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    Originally Posted by RivendellNative    
    The thing that many people don't understand is that God hates the sin that homosexuals commit, not the homosexuals themselves. He loves murderers, but he hates the crime they've done.
    I always have such a hard time understanding how people even presume to know what God does or does not like. And comparing homosexuality to murder is just wrong and way out of context.

    BTW, my God does not hate the sin of homosexuals.
         
        03-26-2013, 10:59 PM
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    Originally Posted by nvr2many    
    What gets me is, the government will say oh it is against the teachings of the bible and God, but at the same time has taken God out of everything! Gah!
    Really? Where in the oral arguments today did anyone say, "The Bible condemns homosexuality, therefor, we must ban it!"? I must have missed that argument.
         
        03-26-2013, 11:04 PM
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    Green Broke
    This is where the lines get fuzzy... Are we banning/not giving people the right to marry because of RELIGIOUS reasons? Because this is not and should not be a religious issue any more then eat meat during lent is!

    These are human rights, treating fellow humans as "lesser" is not right in our eyes. Can anyone really say woman shouldn't be allowed to vote? Or black people should have to drink from separate water fountains?
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        03-26-2013, 11:04 PM
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    What about the CONSTITUTIONAL right to a "pursuit of happiness......."
    Can a pedophile pursue happiness? What about a bank robber? Can a Muslim pursue happiness with 4 wives in America? The states have varying laws about minimum age - why can one state ban a 16 year old from marrying, and another allow it? Should the state allow 2 men and 3 women to enter into a "marriage"? What if it makes them happy?

    Virtually every law on the books interferes with the pursuit of someone's happiness. I'm happier driving at 85 mph than 75 mph - why don't I get to do what makes me happy? And for the record, I've done a LOT of speeding in my life, and haven't had an accident.
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        03-26-2013, 11:12 PM
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    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    Can a pedophile pursue happiness? What about a bank robber? Can a Muslim pursue happiness with 4 wives in America? The states have varying laws about minimum age - why can one state ban a 16 year old from marrying, and another allow it? Should the state allow 2 men and 3 women to enter into a "marriage"? What if it makes them happy?

    Virtually every law on the books interferes with the pursuit of someone's happiness. I'm happier driving at 85 mph than 75 mph - why don't I get to do what makes me happy? And for the record, I've done a LOT of speeding in my life, and haven't had an accident.
    You're comparing apples to oranges with pedophiles and bank robbers. Why don't we just exploit children and innocent people because gays are having an adult relationship between two consenting people? Doesn't make sense.
         

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