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        07-01-2012, 08:29 PM
      #91
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    Originally Posted by Silent one    
    I get it. And I understand it too. But I have to respectfully tell you that if I saw you getting ready to walk off a cliff I would warn you, even if you thought I was violating your "rights" in some way with that warning!
    And if I happened to be a cliffclimber I would respectfully thank you and tell you that I'll be fine, understanding you to be well meaning. However, if you then lobbied to get cliff climbing banned by the local authority, my respect for you and your views would quickly be replaced with anger that you are infringing upon my rights as a human being.
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        07-01-2012, 08:52 PM
      #92
    Weanling
    Nope, not me. Everyone has a right in my eyes to choose their own path. I'm just here to tell what I know, and share the living water with those who will drink it.
         
        07-01-2012, 09:43 PM
      #93
    Foal
    "8" - a play about the fight for marriage equality:

    I think a certain few people should watch this play, might shed some light on how much your ignorance/hate affects others.

    P.S. - get ready for a much longer text post afterwards in a sec.

    P.P.S. - for those against us and talking about getting flack for sharing your views - ever think there is a reason for that? That maybe your stance is wrong? Hate to break it to you guys, but YOU are in the minority (mostly). For the most part people are starting to become much much more accepting of everyone, regardless of race or sexuality, and thankfully homophobia is becoming less and less tolerated. This is only going to become more widespread so maybe you want to get with times and evolve with the rest of us. Your way of thinking is so often picked on because IT. IS. CRUEL.
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        07-01-2012, 09:46 PM
      #94
    Foal
    These threads always make me feel sick to my stomach. I really don't think they should be allowed - would we allow threads debating whether or not people of colour should be allowed basic human rights? It is SO incredibly hurtful to read some of these comments.

    There is so much I want to say but I'm not going to be able to word it without getting banned and it would most likely be pages long.

    We are ALL equal - if EVERYONE is not going to be allowed the same rights, then no one should be allowed them. You can't just pick and chose.

    I have absolutely no respect for people who are against gay/bi/transexual people - to be honest I'm absolutely disgusted that in this day and age people are still so narrow minded and bigoted. It is exactly the same as being racist and should be treated as such - it is absolutely criminal in my eyes.

    Obviously people are going to think what they think, no matter how WRONG it is (yes, WRONG, I'm not going half-cocked here - you cannot say that hating someone and infringing on the rights of a whole group of people just because they love someone who shares the same private parts and it makes poor widdle straight laced you as RIGHT), and fine. Have all the opinions you like, just keep them to YOURSELF. And the second you go from having an opinion to forcing yourself into other peoples lives and preventing lovely upstanding citizens from having a family and tearing others apart by taking away their rights and stripping them of all dignity/equality? By basically saying that they are less human, that they don't DESERVE to live the same as you, with the same rights and safety? BIG BIG BIG problems with that. The fact you have the nerve to talk about us "rubbing it" in your face and that it makes you uncomfortable??? HA HA HA HA - you know what makes me feel uncomfortable, besides opinions such as that? Kids killing themselves because of people like you, hate crimes and violence and vandalism, etc. etc. targeted towards people like me, for something that we do not chose and that we shouldn't HAVE to defend or hide. So yeah... that argument? Doesn't fly with me, sorry. Weaksauce.

    P.S. This has NOTHING to do with religion - not everyone has the same beliefs as you and you should NEVER bring religion into the circle when talking about laws and rights and legalities - they do NOT go hand-in-hand as not everyone subscribes to the same religion, or any (in my case). It is NOT a solid argument when trying to justify discriminating against people and not allowing them the same rights as YOU are so privileged to have, oh-holy-ones of higher morals.

    I'm willing to bet money if the homophobes were forced to walk a mile in our shoes that they would have a big change of heart - if not then there was no hope for them in the first place.

    Harsh? Absolutely. Deserved? YES. Upset by how homophobic and insensitive and callous some people are? VERY. I'm going to avoid these threads from now on as all they do is bring an awful taste to my mouth and upset me.
         
        07-01-2012, 10:36 PM
      #95
    Weanling
    Well, Fruitloops, you can call me any name you like, but from the tone of your posts it sounds like the only one that's doing the "hating" is you. And that speaks tons of volume to me. I don't condemn others, I just point the way to what God says. And you know what? This is still America, and thank God I still have the right to do so. So no, I won't be silenced, I won't be still. I won't turn away from the truth and I will SHOUT my warnings from the rooftop if need be.

    Because I am allowed. Just like you are allowed to post and say what you want. I don't hate you for it. I don't even dislike you, I know you just don't know, and I can't blame you for what you don't know! Be well.
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        07-01-2012, 10:48 PM
      #96
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    Originally Posted by Joe4d    
    A democracy can be every bit as oppressive as a dictatorship. Majority rule doesnt make it right, or have anything to do with freedom. That's why we have a Constitution and Bill of rights to keep the majority in check. Go back and read history where the majority thought it was ok to slaughter Jews, enslave blacks and on and on.
    Of course it doesn't make it right...obviously. The majority decided on Obama, and only a hard line liberal or socialist that blindly follows the pack would consider that "right" at this point in time. But we have to live with it nonetheless until the majority decides to go in another direction.

    And for the record, I'm not aware of any time in history when the majority thought it was OK to slaughter Jews, although db would know better and correct me. If you are referring to Nazi Germany, that was ceretainly not the decision of the majority, although the majority did turn a blind eye...
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        07-01-2012, 10:52 PM
      #97
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    Originally Posted by Fruitloops    
    "8" - a play about the fight for marriage equality:
    "8": A Play about the Fight for Marriage Equality - YouTube

    I think a certain few people should watch this play, might shed some light on how much your ignorance/hate affects others.

    P.S. - get ready for a much longer text post afterwards in a sec.

    P.P.S. - for those against us and talking about getting flack for sharing your views - ever think there is a reason for that? That maybe your stance is wrong? Hate to break it to you guys, but YOU are in the minority (mostly). For the most part people are starting to become much much more accepting of everyone, regardless of race or sexuality, and thankfully homophobia is becoming less and less tolerated. This is only going to become more widespread so maybe you want to get with times and evolve with the rest of us. Your way of thinking is so often picked on because IT. IS. CRUEL.
    Why are you so angry? Different people have different opinions, and opinions - by definition - cannot be "wrong". They can be uninformed, but never wrong.

    I can't speak for anyone else, and don't want to be grouped with anyone else. If you read MY posts, you will find I oppose homosexual marriage, but I have no ill feelings toward homosexuals, and certainly am not cruel to them. Just because a person opposes homosexual marriage does NOT make them cruel. That statement is both ridiculous and prejudicial. Sorry to tell you, but everyone is not going to agree with you on everything...that doesn't make them somehow evil...
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        07-01-2012, 11:14 PM
      #98
    Trained
    May I remind all that there is a young 14 YO girl participating in this thread.
    My concern is not about the topic.
    It is about how we as Adults are setting an example for the young lady to follow.
    It is not what we are saying it is how we are saying it that will be remembered by our young friend.
    Now Faceman,allowing same sex marriage does not in any way degrade traditional marriage.
    It is merely a word not an institution. It is a legal necessity to allow two unrelated people to become each others next of kin. That is valid in all 50 states and foriegn countries. One signed legal document has that much power. There are over 700 rights that the marriage license conveys to the couple.
    Marriage can be performed in a religous setting or a secular one. Both are valid and must be registered with the government.
    I have no problem with anyones beliefs that do not wish to perform a ceremony for reasons of theology.
    In 1967 Loving versus the State of Virginia the Supreme Court stated that marriage was an inherent right and that Virginia could not discriminate against a white man who married a black woman.
    Whatever someone else calls their relationship has no bearing on yours.
    It neither degrades it or lessens it.
    Marriage does not need to be made stronger nor does it need to be protected. Shalom
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        07-01-2012, 11:41 PM
      #99
    Yearling
    Like it or not, the traditional meaning of marriage is, "one MAN to one WOMAN" and labeling people who do not agree with this as bigoted, homophobic and every other fashionable leftist term available isn't going to change that fact no matter how badly you want it to.

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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Now Faceman,allowing same sex marriage does not in any way degrade traditional marriage.
    It is merely a word not an institution. It is a legal necessity to allow two unrelated people to become each others next of kin.
    Is marriage "merely a word not an institution" in your faith? Does the Jewish faith allow gay marriages? Can a Rabbi perform same sex marriages?
         
        07-01-2012, 11:58 PM
      #100
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    ......
    My concern is not about the topic.
    It is about how we as Adults are setting an example for the young lady to follow.
    It is not what we are saying it is how we are saying it that will be remembered by our young friend. .....
    That.
    Whatever a person's orientation or convictions, being respectful to one another has a much deeper impact than a part (of many many parts) that makes up a person.
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