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post #101 of 161 Old 07-01-2012, 11:02 PM
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*Stopped reading after page 8 lol Juss got bored. Wanted to voice my opinion- Srry If Im beating a dead horse

-Food for a Christian's Thought- (Angle of Homo vs Bible)
People sin. We lie, fight, kill, and steal- We're born to be bad. God gave us the option to resist sin by following his words/warnings. And after our "heart" is His we must continue to follow his example ect ect ect But when so ever that slip up occurs when must ask forgivness- If being a homosexual is a sin can it not be forgiven? I've been taught that no sin is larger than another. So If I say the Lords name in vain- is it larger than loving my same gender? No.

Just because somebody is gay doesnt mean christian have to exclude them from their religious group. I Proudly escort my gay friend every Sunday into my church- The people there teem with actual HATE- They hate him for who he is- They hate him to the point where he is in tears walking past the judgmental eyes. But he holds my hand tight- Because he knows God doesnt hate him- Its the ignorant sheepthat do. He says "if being a queer is a sin- Then Imrollingin it, but the day that somebody tellsme MY god hates me for who I am then I hopetoGod, he brings the Same hate Upon them"

And Juss sayin Didn't people back in the day do about the same thing to black folks? Denied marraige/rights- Treated worst than dogs, people refused to offer them equality... Cant Gay Haters see they are doing the same thing? Sure we bucke that one off to "Well they are human-" OH WAIT!?!?! Arent gays human? Nawww They just cant be- Therefore I do not believe they should have rights DURRRRP.Seriously People.

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Horse Poor, my father was not Jewish.
Orthodox Judaism only recognizes the marriages of a jewish man to a jewish woman. In their eyes and beliefs my mother was not married.
Since my mother married a non jew she had to go to a civil ceremony.
Reform and Conservative Rabbis can perform interfaith marriages and samesex marriages.
It is up to the indvidual Rabbi to decide.
I am a therapist each relationship is different and cannot be compared to another.
Just like indidual actions have no impact on yours unless you allow them, to.
This topic has changed dramatically in the last 10 years.
Today over 50% of the US population favors equal marriage rights for all.
That number will increase with acceptance and understanding.
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Interesting! I was told, by a Jew, that the Torah expressly forbids homosexual acts. Are you saying there are different types of Judaism? Like there are different types of Christianity? ie. Catholic, Baptists, Presbyterian, etc? You know, different interpretations of the same book?

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Is marriage "merely a word not an institution" in your faith? Does the Jewish faith allow gay marriages? Can a Rabbi perform same sex marriages?
Like I said, no-one gets to dibs words. Words cannot be owned by anyone, including institutions such as the Catholic Church. A word is a word is a word.
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Horse Poor there are different denominations is Judaism.
Reform which is progressive.
Conservative which is a mixture of progressive and traditional.
Orthodox. which is conservative and has a rigid interpretation of the biblical text.
Ultra Orthodox who rigidly adhere to the biblecal text and usually live seperately from non jews. These are the people you see wearing black hats and the women cover heads and arms.
The Hebrew bible states that homosexuality is an abomination.
It also forbids me to eat with a nonjew.
Commands that I live seperately from a nonjew. Shalom
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I just wanna say, that homosexuality is not a sin. It is only a sin according to certain people's own beliefs. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is like saying that sour candy is definitely not sour - what I think is sour may not be to you.

Just puttin' that out there.

I personally believe that everyone should have equal rights, no matter what sexuality, age, race, body shape, etc.

But either way, some Christians think that my best friend is going to hell for being a lesbian, but that's okay because thanks to premarital sex and mixed fabrics, I'm going to be right there with her (not that I personally believe in heaven/hell, being an eclectic pagan)! :)
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I Proudly escort my gay friend every Sunday into my church- The people there teem with actual HATE- They hate him for who he is- They hate him to the point where he is in tears walking past the judgmental eyes.
Why in the world would your gay friend want to be subjected to that? There are plenty of churches that would welcome him with open arms. If your friend is going there, is he to try to force his belief system on somebody else?

There is no way that someone that feels like the target of hate can be in a church to truly worship and connect with the congregational worship.

Churches actually do have a legal right to decide who can attend their church. It is legally, morally, and ethically a private club that can be and is controlled by its members or larger church governing body. No adult is forced to go to church in the free world. If I don't like the way a particular church acts, I don't go.
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Yes. While I do not think that a church should encourage homosexuality due to the fact that it is a sin, we should not turn our hate towards them. Our church is southern baptist by definition, and while we will, if asked, tell you that homosexuality is a sin, and show you exactly why and how, we will NOT discriminate against you. My youth pastor has told us time and time again that he welcomes homosexuals with open arms into our group, and we as a youth group body welcome them as well. Our pastor and congregation feel the same way. If we will take in a former drug addict or a teenaged mom, why would we not take in and shelter someone who has become lost?

Yes, if you were a homosexual and you walked into my church, at some point you would be asked about your beliefs about homosexuality. But we would not make you feel excluded. We would not hate you. :/

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Endiku, it sounds like a church that actually follows the teachings of Christ.
"Love one another."

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post #110 of 161 Old 07-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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He comes with me because of his belief in God- He is too scared to walk into a different church without me- Though I would go where ever he would choose to b/c I stand by him no matter what.
My church is wrong for their actions

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