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post #111 of 161 Old 07-02-2012, 12:40 PM
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I'm going to turn discussion in a little different direction (not homo/heterosexual)...

So we are talking about equal rights and benefits here... Now if someone wants to have 3 wives and those women don't mind than should it be legal as well (with all benefits and rights of course)? Or, other way around, if I want to have 3 husbands legally? Because then it would be fair in my eyes to have same rights as just a couple.

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Kiss the Ring I fully support a persons right to live their own lives openly.
You and your friend need to find another place to worship IMO.
People who continually subject themselves to hostilite stares and comments that they can avoid very easily are making a bold statement.
If you and your friend were going to the grocery store, public school, public park, etc. You would be challenging soceities norms and standards.
Basically standing up for his rights and humanity.
Your presence at a house of worship however is a different matter.
Religion is a very personal thing and it is private.
The statement that you are making now is that not only are the people wrong but so is their religion, their bible, preacher, and their interpretation ob ahigher power.
This IMO is flaunting his sexuality and doing so in a very passive aggressive manner. You ae placing not only your friend in a bad position but also the members of the church.
Your "protesting " the beliefs of the church will only harden the beliefs of those members already hostile to your friend.
There are places of worship that your friend will be welcome.
Find one. Shalom
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post #113 of 161 Old 07-02-2012, 01:30 PM
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Val, I have no issue with polygamy, polyandry, or polyamory as long as all participants are consenting adults. I draw the line at children or forcing someone into a lifestyle to which they object.

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post #114 of 161 Old 07-02-2012, 01:32 PM
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Val, I have no issue with polygamy, polyandry, or polyamory as long as all participants are consenting adults.
Susan, it's not so much of an issue of who (or how many ) you live with. I'm more interested to look at it from the economical and political prospective (because some politicians clearly use, say, gay marriage as a card to play on table). As well as (as you said) forcing someone into a lifestyle they object to.

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In my perfect world, everyone would be Bi.
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As Christians it's not our job to judge the unsaved. But to love them and at least warn them of the truth. We would welcome a gay person into our church.

However, and this is something a lot of churches miss, according to the Bible we are not to accept a Christian just happily living in sin with no attempt to change. If we notice another Christian has sin that they are not dealing with we are to go to them and talk to them about it. But if no matter who talks to them about it and they are not willing to change even though it can be clearly seen in scripture they are in sin then we are not to associate with them.

This is probably so they don't teach others their ways and so they don't give Christianity a bad name by professing the faith then not living it out.

But again, being gay is not a sin, it's not something you can help. Although I do believe God can transform people if they are willing. It's the lifestyle.

It's one of many sins, and they should ALL be treated the same (by the church, obviously the law has to take action with sins some sins that affect others).

And of course everyone sins, but Christians are not to just happily allow it to be a normal part of their lives.

PS When I say "sin" I'm saying all this according to the Bible and my religion. And of course I would expect my church to believe the same about that.
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And that's Christians. A non professing Christian would be welcomed in our church even while living in sin (so long as it was not truly harmful to others) because why should we expect them to live by our standards without a cause? They have to learn the whats and whys so they can "count the costs" before making any decisions or anything.
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This is why I choose to be an agnostic theist. No I am not an Atheist, before you people jump down my throats for that.
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In my perfect world, everyone would be Bi.
Nah...as strong as my opinions are, as much as I voice my opinions on issues, as much as I know my way is the best way (haha) and know that people will eventually come to their senses and believe as I do (haha again), the world would be very boring if everyone was the same and we all believed in the same things. I mean, come on - if dbarabians were a Christian instead of a Jew, a conservative instead of a liberal, had a real job instead of being a bleeding heart do-gooder, had an IQ 100 points or so higher, was better looking, thought logically instead of emotionally, and saw the world as it really was, we would be just alike and have nothing to talk about other than the weather - that would spoil all my fun...
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