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    06-29-2012, 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by FlyGap    
I have several homosexual friends that don't outwardly parade their sexual preference or base their relationships by a piece of paper that the majority of the people in this country hold sacred.
To your first point, I'm sure you feel so much more comfortable being around them if they're not displaying their sexual preference. Good for you. But what about them?

To the second point, oh yes, the majority of people in America see marriage as very sacred, so much so that the divorce rate for first marriages is 40-50%. Very sacred indeed.
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    06-29-2012, 05:19 AM
Are you saying that Homosexual relationships don't break up? Of course the statistics are higher, because the majority of people are straight. Marriage is sacred, society and the downfall of values are to fault, not so much the practice.

I don't display large doses of public affection, neither do my friends. We also don't discuss the very intimate details of our love lives. Wether or not someone is gay makes no difference to me, as long as we all keep it in the bedroom. Each to their own.
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    06-29-2012, 05:34 AM
Originally Posted by FlyGap    
Are you saying that Homosexual relationships don't break up? Of course the statistics are higher, because the majority of people are straight. Marriage is sacred, society and the downfall of values are to fault, not so much the practice.
Of course I'm not saying homosexual relationships are perfect! I've witnessed a very painful breakup between two of my friends. But the sacredness of marriage is a total fallacy if around half of Americans break their wedding vows first time round. And no, percentages won't be higher with a larger population (you're speaking to a quantitative researcher here), that's the point of percentages. 50% of 1000 is the same rate as 50% of 10,000 - the only thing you have to look out for is issues with sample size...

Originally Posted by FlyGap    
I don't display large doses of public affection, neither do my friends. We also don't discuss the very intimate details of our love lives. Wether or not someone is gay makes no difference to me, as long as we all keep it in the bedroom. Each to their own.
I don't display public shows of affection either, and I'm not too keen on couples kissing in front of me, be they gay or straight. But it's their business, they can do what they like. It's not hurting me - I can just look at the dog peeing against the lamp post across the street instead. If you're really not keen on hearing the details, say "TMI!" - but don't base your TMI line on whether they're gay or straight.
    06-29-2012, 06:13 AM
I'm not going to argue, but homosexuals do not make me feel uncomfortable in any way shape or form. Why should anyone display/discuss their sexual preference? It really doesn't matter, I don't go around telling people and talking about the fact that I'm straight and my friends don't talk about the fact that they are gay. That is juvenile.
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    06-29-2012, 06:25 AM
But until everybody is equal the issue must be discussed! Do you want this just swept under the carpet? I thought the philosophical basis of modern America was freedom and equality...

And, frankly, your discomfort ranks pretty low on my priorities compared to people committing suicide because they're afraid to come out to their family, or because they've been rejected based on their sexual preference.
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    06-29-2012, 08:16 AM
As long as it's consensual, I don't care what two (or more) people do behind closed doors.

Our sexuality and gender preferences are part of us, but they should never define who we are. I don't go around shouting that I'm hetero, because at the end of the day, to whom I'm attracted has NOTHING to do with my day to day public life.

I don't like militant fanatics of any kind, whether they be straight, bi, or gay. People shoving their sexuality in my face is just as annoying as someone trying to 'save' me by hounding me with Scripture.

To all the homophobes out there who fall back on religion to justify their hatred, if God hates homosexuals so much, why did He make so many of them?

To all the gay/bi folks who think getting their freak on in public should be acceptable, you're not doing yourselves any favors.

I believe that ALL families should have the same benefits and rights as more traditional ones, and since we've turned the institute of marriage into a civil and not a religious ceremony, I see no issue with allowing gays to marry if they wish.
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    06-29-2012, 08:38 AM
In my country the discussion revolves mostly around what influence will gay couple have upon their children.

I must admit that I sat and thought about it quite a few times, but allI know is that...we can't know yet for sure. We need a few generations of adults growing in gay parenting households, to see if indeed it might have any influence on their own sexual perception and choice.

On the other hand, even if this influence would happen, I still do not see the issue.
Rather than abusive neglectful parents or no parents at all or a chain of foster homes, much better would be some normal, loving parents. Who happen to be gay. Fine. But what's the use to have straight parents if they make your life and their a straight hell. I imagine the children avilable for doption are not exactly coming from some paradise situations.

Also, the main counter argument that I have met in my discussions on this topic was "but wht if the kids turn gay too"
I have no idea. But I still can't see this as bad. We're not exactly on the brink of extinction. Our sexual preferences do not define us as humans. We hve gy and straight politicians, actors, artists, workers, doctors, lawyers. If my child would need surgery I would seek for the best surgeon, not for the STRAIGHtest surgeon or well, GAYest surgeon. Same , if I would look for best lawyer, best shop owner, best farrier etc.

I consider gay people must be accepted completely into society, as parents and as couples. Yes, their own sexual choice is not mine, but there's more to a man or a woman than who they choose to shag with.
    06-29-2012, 09:43 AM
I think that was a great post Northwest, if you don't mind I may share it.

I definitely support gay rights. Who am I to judge someone's preferences? That's not my place nor anyone else's.

I have fairly strong feelings on the subject, my SIL is a lesbian. Her girlfriend is a stay at home mom with 4 awesome children. They would love to be legally married so they could provide insurance, pre-tax 503(b) educational savings accounts, etc that the straight community takes for granted. We have talked about that quite a bit, she told me once that "I don't care about the title, the frilly wedding (though her gf very much wants that lol) I just want to provide my family with the same things that those in a traditional straight marriage can provide for theirs." She also said she really didn't care if they could/couldn't get married if her employer would allow the option for her to do those things that we take for granted.
    06-29-2012, 10:03 AM
I am 14 and I do not believe that gay is agenst the biible, but do gt that it is part of the world now.I am respectful.
    06-29-2012, 10:32 AM
Nice post but as fly gap has stated pretty much everything you mentioned should already be boycotted for other reasons other then being gay right supporters.

On a side note... I am a supporter of the gays but still not sure it should be called marriage. They can make up another name for it for all I care but marriage is related to religion whether right or wrong and to ask religions to change there definiton of something is wrong. Having the big church wedding I also don't see happening because religions arent going to change to accept it. However they can have the big wedding outdoors with all the glam. That's what my preference is anyway so I might be biased in the outdoor wedding theme lol

I do think they should have the same rights to things male and female partners have such as insurance and accounts etc etc..

I also hate the pda!! I don't display public affection with male partners so I do not want to see anyone whether gay or straight showing it... that's what private households were made for.

As for them raising children...seriously !!! How is this a bad idea... children need to have a functional family whether hetero or homo parents. How is this any worse then a male raising his child in a living enviornment which involves many roommates.. or vice versa a women raising a child with other female roommates. And I bet alot of gay partners would make better parents then some straight parents.
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