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    04-11-2012, 04:47 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by FlyGap    
What are you guys seeing? The MEDIA is a mess.
I just can't BELIEVE what some people are saying/have said (news, not here, LOL!).
First degree is off the table I think.

When I think about it the only photos Iv seen of Trayvon are of him and his family looking like a happy teenager and then a pic of Zimmerman that looks like it got be a mugshoot... probably passport photo... so there will be alot of people that automatically give their sympathy to Trayvons family.. but at this stage only Zimmerman and Trayvon really know what happened.

When it comes to a sentance.. if it was your brother/son/cousin etc youd probably want zimmerman locked up for life but the chances of that happening are slim, there will always be the argument of self-defence, but personally I don't think zimmerman should have killed him. He could have shot him in the leg and left him that he couldnt attack or run away and let the police take over from there... in my opinion, a young life wasted..
     
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    04-11-2012, 04:50 PM
  #22
Green Broke
... or better yet ...

..when the 911 operator told him to STOP FOLLOWING HIM .. he could have walked away..

Imo
     
    04-11-2012, 04:54 PM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Painted, if they had enough evidence to try him for first degree, getting a Grand Jury seated wouldn't be that much of an issue.

I simply don't think they even want to try first degree since it would be very hard to prove premeditation.
Agreed. Since the special prosecutor said earlier this week that she wasn't going to the grand jury, I assumed it was off the table.
     
    04-11-2012, 05:01 PM
  #24
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Yep, if the state prosecutor isn't willing to go before a Grand Jury, then first degree was never going to be considered.

Derry girl, what you don't understand is that it's VERY difficult to shoot someone in an extremity, which is why the idea is to shoot for the biggest target, which is the trunk of the body.

If you're going to pick up a firearm you have to be prepared to kill something. Not scare, wound, or threaten. That kind of garbage you only see in the movies. Nobody who is properly trained will take out a gun with the express purpose of NOT shooting to kill.

Guns are deadly tools, and unfortunately too many idiots who have no clue how to properly use them seem to own them.
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    04-11-2012, 05:40 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
If you're going to pick up a firearm you have to be prepared to kill something. Not scare, wound, or threaten. That kind of garbage you only see in the movies. Nobody who is properly trained will take out a gun with the express purpose of NOT shooting to kill.
I completley understand the point your trying to make but in this case, this was a teenager that was unarmed... Yes there are and always will be circumstances where if someone is shot and killed it can be justified as self defence but in this case I will strongly stand by my opinion that this young lad should not have been killed. If Zimmerman was a guard for this gated community and was allowed to be armed he must have had some training that would have involved target practice and Im sure that he could have aimed for the leg or even fired a warning shot.. IMO
     
    04-11-2012, 05:49 PM
  #26
Trained
IF Zimmerman was being "severely" beaten by a very athletic large teenager then I think that justifies self defense. According to the "stand your ground" law though it is equal defense for equal force.
People and law enforcement who own/use guns are trained shoot to kill. The only reason a SANE person would pull a gun is because their life is threatened which is the only justifiable reason to pull a gun. Which COULD be the case here. We don't know.
The media and Zimmerman are saying that he did heed the dispatchers advice and he did head back to his truck where he was attacked. IF this is proven to be the case he had every right to protect himself. If it were me, a small female, I think things would be VERY different.

If he was being beaten then he couldn't have possibly shot for a limb, he couldn't according to the law shoot until he was physically attacked. Which is what he is stating. IDK. A warning shot would have been much better and I wish for anything that's what happened. Sad.
     
    04-11-2012, 05:51 PM
  #27
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No, being properly trained means someone aims for the biggest target, not the extremities. Don't believe what you see in the movies and on TV.

Whatever Zimmerman did or didn't do, or what he thought he was justified in doing, the fact is that he shot this young man. I don't know the whole story, and neither do any of the rest of us. Right now, it's simply speculation based on hysteria and biased media reports. Plus, since none of us were there, Zimmerman may have believed the teen had a gun as well. Did the young man even live in the gated community where he was shot?

I'm NOT justifying what Zimmerman did, nor am I sticking up for him. What I AM saying is that none of us know what really happened that night. The only thing any of us know for certain is that a young man is dead.

By your own admission, you know nothing about firearms or the training people take to become proficient with them. Nobody, not even the police, take out their gun and try to shoot someone in the leg or arm. It simply isn't the mindset trained into those who handle and use firearms on a daily basis.

If I'm taking out my gun, I'm going to shoot to kill. That is the only mindset to have, otherwise I could wind up on the business end of my own gun. The idea is to totally incapacitate your foe, not wound them.
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    04-11-2012, 06:05 PM
  #28
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Don't believe what you see in the movies and on TV.
I didnt say I was taking any of my thoughts/opinions from the movies or TV. I just remember a case here a few years ago that there was a man in a housing estate basically causing a riot and welding a sword at people, The guarda shoot him in the lower leg..he fell to the ground and they were able to get him cuffed and take him in and charge him.

I think we might be getting mixed reports, what I heard on the news was that Trayvon was walking down the road past this gated community and Zimmerman basically just opened fire on him, no word of a fit breaking out. The first I heard of him apparently been attacked was what I read online earlier. I also heard that the police took in zimmermans father for questioning.. who knows maybe he hit his son to make zimmermans story fit... just a thought am not saying that's what happened
     
    04-11-2012, 06:32 PM
  #29
Green Broke
2nd degree murder charge ... prosecuters must have some evidence. I was expecting manslaughter ...
     
    04-11-2012, 06:34 PM
  #30
Weanling
Whats the max sentance for 2nd degree?
     

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