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    04-12-2012, 03:26 PM
  #41
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    

I don't know about anyone else, but I am not seeing the "innocent" young man that his parents are trying to portray..

Zimmerman isn't going to ever be able to have a normal life again.

There have been a lot of black on white crimes lately and we don't see anyone raising a big stink about them, or we even hearing about them, so is their life no less of importance as these two people?

I know everyones got their own opinion on this case, so am not going to say your wrong but when it comes to any antics Trayvon got up to at school I don't think that he should be branded as a bad lad for it. Who knows maybe he did get the jewellery from a friend, maybe he needed the screwdriver for something completley innocent.. who knows. Like any 17 yr old lad caught with that stuff in his bag their going to panic.. I would, you don't want to get into trouble, so you just play dumb. I remember a friend once brought a bottle of vodka into school one day to try and be "cool" and she got caught and played dumb, said some1 planted it in her bag.. biggest load of rubbish but she didnt want to admit it and get into trouble.

In regards to Zimmerman leading a normal life again... why should he? He shot an unarmed lad that was walking back after buying sweets.. how would you feel if it hada been your son? And I keep reading reports that zimmerman said Trayvon attacked him, broke his nose and smacked his head on the road.. I havent been able to find one picture of his injuries.. surely the police would have taken pictures of the injuries to prove zimmermans story, and everything gets leaked to the media these days, surely thered be at least 1picture

And you say about how other similiar stories don't get reported, yes I will agree with that, there are alot of cases over here aswell that just go un-noticed.. but I think this case gathered so much media attention because of Trayvons age and how all the police could find on him was sweets. I was listening to the 911 call made by 1 of the residents of that gated community, and she said she could hear screaming, someone shouting help help and then she heard a gun...

I think that phone call alone shows that there is something seriously wrong with the circumstances of this boys death.
     
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    04-12-2012, 03:37 PM
  #42
Weanling
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Originally Posted by azwantapaint    
To "shoot him in the arm or leg" is beyond preposterous, and is borderline ludacrous.
How? Why?
If I was walking past a gated community either on purpose or by accident I really hope someone would give me the benifit of the doubt and not just shoot me dead!

Would you feel the same way?
     
    04-12-2012, 03:40 PM
  #43
Weanling
I too conceal carry and when taught by an instructor and my husband, who has won many awards for his shooting skill in the military, over seas and as a civilian, I was taught, you aim for center mass. Why you ask? Because when your defending yourself and you shoot someone in the arm or leg, they can still potentially harm you, you shoot to stop them...end of story.

Yes a life was taken, a young one at that. Perhaps if his parents stepped up and taught him right from wrong, told him stealing or lying is wrong, that you are polite and cooperative, etc. their son may still be alive today. If my son was smart or snotty to an adult, he wouldn't do it a 2nd time, I guarantee you that. I was only pointing out that the boy wasn't innocent like his parents want everyone to think he is, he was a punk. Again, no it doesn't give anyone a reason to shoot him, but I am going to wait to see what comes out in the trial.
     
    04-12-2012, 03:44 PM
  #44
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Originally Posted by Derry girl    
How? Why?
Derry, more than one of us have explained to you the reasoning behind firearms training. If you fail to grasp it after having the same thing told to you over and over by different people the disconnect is with YOU, not with the information given.

You've been told WHY we're taught to aim for center mass. What about that don't you understand? NOBODY is trained just to wound. I simply don't understand why you seem to be unable to process the information.

Besides, it's pretty obvious you're buying into the 'poor innocent young man' pabulum being slobbed out by the media. They want a scapegoat, so have chosen Mr. Zimmerman. It could have very well gone the other way, but this was the angle they chose.

I say let the criminal justice system do its job. If a jury of his peers finds him guilty of murder, then he'll suffer the consequences. I personally don't know what happened so am going by the, 'innocent until proven guilty' stance.
     
    04-12-2012, 03:48 PM
  #45
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
Why you ask? Because when your defending yourself and you shoot someone in the arm or leg, they can still potentially harm you, you shoot to stop them...end of story.
Yes I c what your saying, Iam not aruging that point.. but in this case the question is was it really necessary for Trayvon to be shoot dead. In the police call Zimmerman made he said he was following Trayvon and the police man told him not to!! ..he continued to and ended up shooting him.. he could have fired a warning shot and shouted that the police were on their way. Yes I would back zimmermans case if Trayvon hada been armed but he wasnt. He didnt need to die.
     
    04-12-2012, 03:48 PM
  #46
Green Broke
Derry, The "shoot for center mass" is preceded with:

NEVER NEVER NEVER pull your gun unless your life is threatened and you intend to kill your target.

Most people that carry will never have to pull their gun, nor should they. It's there for those extreme times when there is NO OTHER CHOICE.

Don't pull it, unless you have no other choice than to kill someone. No such thing as a warning shot .. if you have time for that, your life isn't threatened and your gun needs to stay concealed.

That's the reasoning.

~tg
     
    04-12-2012, 03:49 PM
  #47
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Derry, more than one of us have explained to you the reasoning behind firearms training. If you fail to grasp it after having the same thing told to you over and over by different people, the disconnect is with YOU, not with the information given.

You've been told WHY we're taught to aim for center mass. What about that don't you understand? NOBODY is trained to wound.

Why are you making out am stupid? I understand what your trained to do but that doesnt mean I have to agree with it!
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    04-12-2012, 03:51 PM
  #48
Trained
I just hope JUSTICE is done and done correctly. I pray that this man is found either guilty or not guilty according to the TRUE evidence.
It appears that this man (supposedly) was a pretty great guy, regardless of this event. He and his wife (supposedly) have been mentoring and tutoring at risk children of minority races, yet that goes by the wayside according to the wackos claiming race was a factor.

Unfortunately no good deed goes unpunished. And I pray there is hell to pay if this man is actually guilty. This event has shed so much light on the actual race status in this country and brought out the TRUE COLORS of people and the leaders of our society. If this was truly a white/black issue and the situation was reversed and say a group like the KKK were saying these kinds of things where would we be? This wasn't a race issue, an overzealous man protecting his community from a rash of crimes? Yeah. Absolutely terrifying.
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    04-12-2012, 03:59 PM
  #49
Trained
A person can still attack and kill you if you don't soot for the TORSO. Clipping an arm or a leg can actually make matters worse if the perp is high or drunk, then adrenaline kicks in from the pain and you get a super perp. If one MUST draw, then the situation is such that a life is on the line and the attacker must be taken out, not merely wounded.

Is Zimmerman guilty? Court will decide.
     
    04-12-2012, 04:00 PM
  #50
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Originally Posted by Derry girl    
Why are you making out am stupid? I understand what your trained to do but that doesnt mean I have to agree with it!
You're acting as if you don't understand what you've been told by constantly asking why, so if anyone's making you look stupid it's you.

You don't have to agree with American firearms training, but stop with the silly 'what if' scenarios. NOBODY shoots to wound, period. Whether or not you like it, is completely immaterial.

If you take out your gun, the idea is to kill. Which is why I've never pulled mine on another human being, and I hope to God I never need to.
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