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    07-13-2012, 11:00 AM
  #11
Super Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
SouthernTrails, you're talking about semi-automatics, correct? I don't believe fully automatics are legal. Those are the ones I was talking about when I said the majority owned are by criminals. There's no reason to own a fully automatic weapon other than to completely obliterate someone or something.
That is correct.

I was attempting to explain to the OP that all AK-47's are not fully Automatic, the Legal ones to own are semi-auto

While a pistol grip is nice and lager magazines can be nice, I prefer my SKS version over the AK-47, not to mention it is half the price


As to the other part: When Guns are Outlawed only Outlaws will have Guns


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    07-13-2012, 11:53 AM
  #12
Weanling
A little clarification seems to be in order here...
Each state has its own rules and regulations on what is legal and what isn't.
Fully automatic firearms ARE legal to own if you have an NFA stamp for each one, and that includes suppressors too.
Arizona and Texas both have passed laws recently making it legal to hunt with a suppressor.
Firearms are something that people either enjoy, or despise, with little middle ground.
An AK-47 is a fantastic rifle, very capable for hunting purposes, extremely forgiving of neglectful care and cleaning, fairly inexpensive to shoot, and moderately accurate.
The AR platform (family) is a lot like Barbie for men. There are endless possibilities for customization and accessorizing that it boggles the mind.
What is the thinking behind owning these types of firearms?
I own them for a few reasons.
One, I love to shoot, hunt, and reload my own ammo.
I am also a firearms instructor.
The meat I bring home is the epitome of organic-no preservatives, hormones, or chemicals whatsoever. If you buy it in the store, you'd pay out the nose for it.
I avoid eating store bought meat for exactly that reason.
Did you know that real meat isn't red, its actually purple?
And fat isn't white, its a honey color?
Ever notice that our kids are reaching puberty at progressively younger and younger ages?
How about the health issues that seem to get progressively worse that can be traced to diets?
Back to the firearms mentality....
Criminals could care less about gun laws. They will be armed regardless of the laws on the books.
I am armed to protect myself, and my family against those threats.
When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away.
Its easier to carry a handgun than a cop.
Cheaper to feed too.
Firearms are the last line of defense against a tyrannical government.
A free man has the necessity and obligation to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, his family, and his nation.
A firearm is the only tool that can level the field between a 300# crack head and a100#woman.
Think i'm full of it?
Ask the 87 year old grandma that just killed the 27 year old breaking into her house as she was getting dressed.
Ask the single mom of 3 kids whose husband had just been killed in Afghanistan about why she shot the tweaked out guys breaking into her home in the wee hours of the night.
As a firearms owner, the last thing I want to do is shoot anyone.
However, I am prepared to do just that if someone chooses to put me or my family into harms way.
Why these types of firearms? They are a whole lot of fun to own and shoot.
Are they necessary? Absolutely.
Personally, I prefer bolt action guns over semi auto for the accuracy factors, but its hard to beat a semi auto for anything inside 300 yards.
Nobody is saying you have to own a gun.
However, don't argue with me that just because you don't see the need for such things, that I don't need to have them myself.
That would be tantamount to me telling you that you don't need that luxury home, when a little shack would be just fine.
Or, better yet, you don't need that super comfortable custom saddle, when a bareback pad would work just fine.
Its a personal choice. One that is a very seriously contemplated and evaluated.
My parents are very anti gun people. My brother and I, however, have seen the evil that man can do, and are very pro gun.
I respect your decisions to live your life as you see fit.
All I ask is you do the same for me, and we'll get along fine.
     
    07-13-2012, 12:21 PM
  #13
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by azwantapaint    
A little clarification seems to be in order here...
Each state has its own rules and regulations on what is legal and what isn't.
Fully automatic firearms ARE legal to own if you have an NFA stamp for each one, and that includes suppressors too.
Arizona and Texas both have passed laws recently making it legal to hunt with a suppressor.
Firearms are something that people either enjoy, or despise, with little middle ground.
An AK-47 is a fantastic rifle, very capable for hunting purposes, extremely forgiving of neglectful care and cleaning, fairly inexpensive to shoot, and moderately accurate.
The AR platform (family) is a lot like Barbie for men. There are endless possibilities for customization and accessorizing that it boggles the mind.
What is the thinking behind owning these types of firearms?
I own them for a few reasons.
One, I love to shoot, hunt, and reload my own ammo.
I am also a firearms instructor.
The meat I bring home is the epitome of organic-no preservatives, hormones, or chemicals whatsoever. If you buy it in the store, you'd pay out the nose for it.
I avoid eating store bought meat for exactly that reason.
Did you know that real meat isn't red, its actually purple?
And fat isn't white, its a honey color?
Ever notice that our kids are reaching puberty at progressively younger and younger ages?
How about the health issues that seem to get progressively worse that can be traced to diets?
Back to the firearms mentality....
Criminals could care less about gun laws. They will be armed regardless of the laws on the books.
I am armed to protect myself, and my family against those threats.
When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away.
Its easier to carry a handgun than a cop.
Cheaper to feed too.
Firearms are the last line of defense against a tyrannical government.
A free man has the necessity and obligation to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, his family, and his nation.
A firearm is the only tool that can level the field between a 300# crack head and a100#woman.
Think i'm full of it?
Ask the 87 year old grandma that just killed the 27 year old breaking into her house as she was getting dressed.
Ask the single mom of 3 kids whose husband had just been killed in Afghanistan about why she shot the tweaked out guys breaking into her home in the wee hours of the night.
As a firearms owner, the last thing I want to do is shoot anyone.
However, I am prepared to do just that if someone chooses to put me or my family into harms way.
Why these types of firearms? They are a whole lot of fun to own and shoot.
Are they necessary? Absolutely.
Personally, I prefer bolt action guns over semi auto for the accuracy factors, but its hard to beat a semi auto for anything inside 300 yards.
Nobody is saying you have to own a gun.
However, don't argue with me that just because you don't see the need for such things, that I don't need to have them myself.
That would be tantamount to me telling you that you don't need that luxury home, when a little shack would be just fine.
Or, better yet, you don't need that super comfortable custom saddle, when a bareback pad would work just fine.
Its a personal choice. One that is a very seriously contemplated and evaluated.
My parents are very anti gun people. My brother and I, however, have seen the evil that man can do, and are very pro gun.
I respect your decisions to live your life as you see fit.
All I ask is you do the same for me, and we'll get along fine.

This is gold. Haha you sound like my husband

I was raised by a cop, in a very tight (as far as guns go) state (Illinois). My dad always had his gun on him, and always does. We have multiple guns in our house, we all know where they are. We are all older now, but even when we were younger we at least had a few. We were taught gun safety on a BB gun, and then taught to respect guns as tools.

My husband is a gun enthusiast as well. He is also in law enforcement. We own quite a few, some used for hunting, some for target shooting, some as collector items, and some for self defense. Its both a hobby and a way of protecting oneself.

As a woman, especially now as a pregnant woman, I value my ability to protect myself. I keep one with me in my house when I am alone, simply for my own safety. Would I want to use it? No for sure I would never want to use one, I would never want to hurt anyone, but I will if it means that I will live and my unborn child will be okay. My husband feels the same way.

As a person who has dealt with a lot of cops, I can tell you that the ones I've met feel the same way about armed citizens as we do. Criminals will be armed whether or not it is legal. Law abiding citizens who are armed are a great asset to cops. They can protect themselves and others.

My daddy always said that cops do their best to protect the pubic, but a lot of what they do is reactive, simply due to the nature of the job. They respond to crimes in progress, and crime scenes, but rarely are they there as it is happening, it just simply isn't possible. The first thing I would do is call 911 if I thought I needed help, but then I would grab a gun, because 911 may be 3 minutes away, and I only have 30 seconds. Not good for my chances, and I do not want to be another statistic of a crime because I did not take advantage of my constitutional right.

That being said, I do believe that owning or possessing a firearm, although a right, is not to be taken lightly. They ARE dangerous, and need to be treated with respect and common sense. Safety is first, and if you plan on having a gun, you need to know not only how to fire it, but what to do if/when it jams, how to clean it, how to properly shoot it, all of its safeties, and what ammo is good for it. Not only that, but you need to know the laws in your area, and have a safe place to store said gun. AND remembering the golden rule that I live by "Don't ever point a gun, whether unloaded, loaded, or otherwise, at anything you do not plan on killing."
     
    07-13-2012, 12:31 PM
  #14
Trained
The simple answer OP is "Because they can"

There is always a certain percentage of the population that think gun owning is cool, or a right, or that they are needed for personal protection.

I come from the UK, to own any kind of gun you have to prove that you need it for a purpose, you have to jump through hoops to get a licence, more hoops to get the weapon. I owned a little air rifle for target shooting, that was it.

Then we moved to Canada, rubs hands together, fond out that by completing my safety training and getting a PAL (Possession and Acquisition) licence I then had the ability to go buy a whole range of guns, so as a family we own a whole range of guns for hunting, everyone has a .22 for dealing with nuisance critters, a shotgun, and a whole range larger calibre rifles for a whole range of things, mainly because my son collects them.

Now I think we have enough, actually to many guns, I can totally understand having a small and a large calibre rifle, but don't get the AK 47 thing at all.

I know that every house around here has guns, I know that one house has several hundred guns, but no one is 'gun ho' about it.

So yeah, they have guns because they can
     
    07-13-2012, 12:34 PM
  #15
Yearling
Thumbs up

Guns are just a tool, how you use it is the difference
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    07-13-2012, 12:42 PM
  #16
Green Broke
AK 47's are extremely rare and very expensive and troublesome to posses and illegal in many areas as they are selective fire. The media likes to call any thing with a curved magazine an AK47.

Look at parts of the world where governments slaughter their own people. How many Jews do you think Hitler would have sent to the gas chambers if they were well armed ? He passed all kinds of gun control laws for their own safety using fear of crime to scare the sheeple. Just like your government has done.
It amazes me that people can be so ignorant to think that making guns illegal does anything but create unarmed victims for armed criminals and governments. News flash Criminals don't obey gun laws and governments always exempt themselves.
The right to keep arms is about self defense and community defense against threats inculding our own government. Nothing to do with hunting or anything else.
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    07-13-2012, 12:58 PM
  #17
Foal
In America, we have the 2nd Amendment in our Constitution that gives Americans the right to bear arms. There are many reasons this was written

To deter a tyrannical government
Participate in law enforcement
Repel invasion
A natural right to defend ourselves

My dad is a gun owner and collector. He has been through the Vietnam war and mainly carries a gun for protection. We have some crazy people in this world and if someone decides to harm him or his family, he has the right to protect us. A police officer cannot always be close by and anything can happen in a split second. Thus his reasoning behind carrying a gun. He has several guns that he has collected over the years that his ancestors carried in the Civil War, WWI, WWII. That is his hobby and there has been some interesting history learned about each and every gun that he owns. I personally do not like guns, but I have thought about getting myself one just to have for protection. A 300 lb man can really do a lot of harm to a 100 lb defenseless woman and her young children.
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    07-13-2012, 12:59 PM
  #18
Yearling
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms .... disarm only
those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
Such laws make things worse for the assaulted
And better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage
Than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be
Attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson


"Only an armed people can be truly free.
Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved."
- Aristotle




"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

There are many more, but just look at the quotes of Jefferson and Washington. That may just answer the question in and of itself. Why do we have guns? Because those people were our founding fathers, and its a basic right given when this country was first created.
     
    07-13-2012, 01:00 PM
  #19
Weanling
We have several handguns, rifles and shotguns. We keep them for protection and for the shooting range (fun) because we don't hunt. I carry a concealed weapons permit and I keep a gun with me because I travel a lot. Don't want to break down or get stranded somewhere without some protection.

Plus my job creates opportunities for lots of folks to be angry or hate me, sad to say.
     
    07-13-2012, 01:00 PM
  #20
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe4d    
AK 47's are extremely rare and very expensive and troublesome to posses and illegal in many areas as they are selective fire. The media likes to call any thing with a curved magazine an AK
Sorry Joe, you're misinformed on some of that.
Yes, the media, being liberal skewed and ignorant of firearm knowledge in general, do like to scare the unknowing with incorrect information.
However, AK's and their variants are quite easy to come by and quite inexpensive.
A Chinese make can be had for about $500, Russian version about $650.
That's much less expensive than an AR, aa reference.
Look up J&G Sales in Prescott, AZ. They always have them in stock.
Many states restrict them or what they can be equipped with, especially for hunting.
Generally, a five round magazine is the limit for hunting.
The AK is a great, inexpensive rifle if you can't afford something better.
     

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