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    08-22-2012, 12:14 AM
Dba, but here is what MD law said (I remember I've seen it in past):

It is unlawful for any person to sell or transfer a regulated firearm to a person whom he knows or has reasonable cause to believe:
  • Is under 21.
  • Has been convicted of a disqualifying crime.
  • Is a fugitive from justice.
  • Is a habitual drunkard.
  • Is addicted to a controlled dangerous substance (habitual user).
  • Suffers from a mental disorder and has a history of violent behavior against himself or another.
  • Has been confined to a facility for more than 30 days for the treatment of a mental disorder.
  • .....
How one can check the last 3 then before selling the gun?
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    08-22-2012, 01:00 AM
A therapist or medical doctor or only allowed to disclose anything in your medical records if you are deemed to be dangerous to yourself or others.
It would take a court order by a judge todenote something o a state issued ID.
I myself would like to have someone perhaps take a blood test for illegal or prescription drugs.
However where would we draw the line?
A recreational drug user is not going to be a danger to anyone like a daily user of hard street drugs or prescribed ones.
The courts , therapist and medical drs would be tied up in endless paperwork.
1 in 10 people will suffer fro a serious mental disorder at some time in thier lives.
I do not think you can have a list of persons that are undergoing treatment without violating the patients civil rights.
Good question .
It will take someone smarter than I to figure it out. Shalom
    08-22-2012, 01:06 AM
^^ I know there is HIPPA and all, that's why I was surprised to see the law. On other hand the pharmacy clearly shares your prescriptions with all possible insurances (even though I'd assume it's a violation of privacy). So who knows...
    08-22-2012, 07:45 AM
KittenVal there is no way to enforce that law,
It looks good on paper but niether I nor any other therapist that I ahve worked with has ever reported any for using anti depressants.
Or for being severely depressed, pyshcotic, or any other mental disorder.
Until they threaten to harm themselves or any one else there is nothing for us to report.
It is a law without teeth or a way to enforce it. Shalom
    08-22-2012, 02:10 PM
Of course, in order for a background check to even be performed a gun has to be purchased legally. Hence, it is the laws already on the books that pertain to illegal sales that need to be enforced.
Vehicle related deaths in the US 2009, nearly 34000, homocide gun related - around 9000. Are cars just one large "Christine" like virus in our midst? Should our broke nation fund a multi-million dollar study to find out?

What stats don't tell you is how many deaths guns prevented. The concept of live virus vaccine wasn't mentioned in the article...which renders it - inane. Which, in the current climate means...funding will be dumped into any related "study".
    08-22-2012, 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
A recreational drug user is not going to be a danger to anyone like a daily user of hard street drugs or prescribed ones.
Well, I disagree with that. A person with judgment so poor they use recreational drugs is not a person I want toting a gun. "Recreational" drug use is a stupid term to begin with. That's like making a distinction between a girl that has sex for money once in a while because it is fun and a full time hooker. Both are hookers, just as any drug user/abuser is a druggie. The degree or frequency of the offense is irrelevant - at least to me. A scumball is a scumball...
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    08-22-2012, 03:55 PM
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As a Brit who has travelled in many states of the US, I find it hard to believe that more or less anyone can purchase a gun.
I also find it hard to believe how gun happy many cops are. Yes, I can see that they are often in danger but there are many times when an incident could be ended without anyone being harmed.

WHat frightens me is how it is the 'norm' for young children to play violent video games. If they get killed in the game they just start again. Although it is obviously not logical to think this happens in real life, I am sure that many grow up thinking it could be so.

An experiment was held in the UK. A group of boys, all the same age were allowed to play video games. One group played a soccer game whilst the others played a violent one.
Individually they went into a room with a teacher who knocked a pot of pencils off his desk. Very few of the violent game players helped him to pick them up whereas majority of the soccer players did. This was after an hour of their game playing - what happens when it is many hours?
    08-22-2012, 03:58 PM
Faceman everyone who drinks and occasionally gets drunk is not an alcoholic.
Most people who abuse drugs do not become addicted.
People over indulge in many things to make them feel good or to escape the real world.
Most of these people will not rob or kill anyone and are experimenting or partying .
They are a danger only to themselves when using unless they are driving.
Impaired judgement does not make one a scumbag Faceman.
    08-22-2012, 04:07 PM

Is someone that smokes marijuana once or twice a month more likely to commit a crime of violence than someone who gets drunk every Friday and Saturday night? Or worse is an alcoholic and stays drunk 7 days a week?

I always heard people that smoked pot were fairly passive, never heard that about drunks.

When you buy a gun or get a CWP, they inquire about drugs, but do not remember them asking about drinking, how odd.

We are much more stringent on gun ownership than we are on Driving a Car or getting a Drivers License and as was mentioned previously, Cars kill a lot more people than guns.

It is the attitude about not caring about life that causes the problems with any tool ie. Gun, Knife, Car, etc.
    08-22-2012, 04:25 PM
STG it all depends on the individual how they react to any mind altering chemical. The degree of impairment can vary widely from individual to individual.
Pot however does not seem to encourgae aggression in most people.
STG IMO it is far too easy to purcahse a gun in this country.
There is little oversight unless the individual has past criminal history.
Someone who is paranoid, severly depressed, or psychotic can go years before they become dangerous to soceity.
That is the problem with our current system.
No way to weed out those with mental disorders until it is too late. Shalom

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