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        08-22-2012, 04:43 PM
      #21
    Trained
    People use cell phones and not smoke signals. Technology changes. Prior to the arrival of the gun people were still murdered. After its arrival, where laws were not inforced, there were lots of murders. A free attorney and a slap on the wrist doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent to those that obtain guns illegally.
         
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        08-22-2012, 05:01 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Most people who abuse drugs do not become addicted.
    I assume it greatly depends on drug. Advil is the drug too in principle, but I haven't heard of addiction. Cocaine or heroin on other hand seem to be extremely addictive (from what I've heard and read).
         
        08-22-2012, 06:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Faceman everyone who drinks and occasionally gets drunk is not an alcoholic.
    Most people who abuse drugs do not become addicted.
    People over indulge in many things to make them feel good or to escape the real world.
    Most of these people will not rob or kill anyone and are experimenting or partying .
    They are a danger only to themselves when using unless they are driving.
    Impaired judgement does not make one a scumbag Faceman.
    Shalom
    That is your opinion. I have mine. Impaired judgment does not make a person a scumbag, but knowingly impairing one's judgment does. A person that drinks, smokes dope, or otherwise takes drugs to purposely alter their mind is weak in character, irresponsible, is exercising poor judgment, and/or has mental issues. Irresponsibility is irresponsibility, whether it is a glass, a joint, a needle, or a gun in their hand.

    It is one thing to have a cup of coffee in the morning, or a cold beer on a hot afternoon or with dinner, but quite another to get drunk or stoned for "recreation". And do not tell me they are only a danger to themselves "if driving". Over 300,000 people have been killed by drunk drivers in the last 20 years. 300,000... In addition, thousands have been killed in drunken fights, domestic arguments, and while crimes were being committed. 10% of all arrests in the US are due to alcohol abuse, which is a huge burden in taxpayer dollars and resources. Recreational drugs OBVIOUSLY promote drug traffic and dealing, which anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand knows is a huge problem in the US and in and of itself causes killings and crime. Recreational use of drugs feeds the drug industry...while a particular person may not have an addiction problem, their usage fuels the industry. Incarcerations for selling and possessing drugs, including for recreational use, again costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.

    I am both appalled and disgusted that anyone anywhere would choose to rationalize or defend the use of recreational drugs, or sweep it under the rug as some minor issue of no consequence.

    Do a little googling and cipher up how many children are killed, maimed, orphaned, live in broken homes, or otherwise have been negatively affected by "recreational" drugs every year. It makes me sick even to think about it.

    Everyone has their soapbox. This is mine. Drug abuse is a scourge to our society and those that abuse drugs are the dreggs users are the dregs of society...
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        08-22-2012, 06:47 PM
      #24
    Trained
    To explain addiction simply if you put 100 people in a room and force fed them alcohol for 30 days you would ahve 10 alcoholics when they emerged.
    If you did the same with cocaine or herion after 30 days you would have 100 addicts.
    That is not saying that someone who abuses drugs randomly say once a week for life will become addicted.
    Addiction is both physical and mental .
    Your brain craves cocain and the high that it enjoyed while using it.
    However when used daily you must use more and more to attain that high.
    There is no way to prevent the occasional user from purcahsing a firearm.
    Shalom
         
        08-22-2012, 06:50 PM
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    Holy Smokes, Face. Finally something I agree with you on 100% !!

    It was such a shock when I moved from a deeply conservative area of the US to one of the most liberal areas. This was one of the biggest differences in mindset and the one thing that was so hard to discuss with the people from that area.
         
        08-22-2012, 06:53 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    to explain addiction simply if you put 100 people in a room and force fed them alcohol for 30 days you would ahve 10 alcoholics when they emerged.
    If you did the same with cocaine or herion after 30 days you would have 100 addicts.
    That is not saying that someone who abuses drugs randomly say once a week for life will become addicted.
    Addiction is both physical and mental .
    Your brain craves cocain and the high that it enjoyed while using it.
    However when used daily you must use more and more to attain that high.
    There is no way to prevent the occasional user from purcahsing a firearm.
    Shalom
    db, you don't have to explain addiction to me, any more than I have to explain to you how alcohol impairs the brain - remember who you are talking to. But addiction is not relevant to the issue of poor judgment by people who have access to handguns - or to being impaired in general. Drugs and alcohol are, but one does not have to be addicted to be impaired. Yahoos run around all the time impaired, but are not addicted.

    I realize you work with many people who are druggies and alcoholics, but those who are addicted represent a small percent of those who are impaired, and thus the whole addiction sidebar is irrelevant...
         
        08-22-2012, 06:58 PM
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    People use cell phones and not smoke signals. Technology changes. Prior to the arrival of the gun people were still murdered.
    Yeah, but a whole lot less of them.
    After its arrival, where laws were not inforced, there were lots of murders. There are still plenty of murders where laws are enforced.
    A free attorney and a slap on the wrist doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent to those that obtain guns illegally.
    Missy- replies in bold. (Please don't shred me with your reply )

    All- (Just my ramblings here... bear with me)
    So I’m wondering…. Why can’t there be turtle laws/safeties with guns. There are with nearly everything else.
    (Turtle laws/safeties = things like -a warning with a hairdryer “Do not use hairdryer while bathing or taking a shower” [ because you know someone did exactly that at some point]
    And of course, seatbelts being made mandatory because people wouldn’t use them even though it saved lives.)

    I have no idea what these turtle laws could be, but I’m somewhat surprised how ridiculously easy it is to purchase guns. Not a whole lot harder than buying shoes. The article mantions what has been done in other areas od safety, why aren't guns held to the same safety levels?

    Since cars were mentioned… at least one needs to take a test to get a drivers license.
    Yeah, cars contribute more to fatalities than guns, and the strides that have been made for car and driving safety have been extensive, since no way in heck people will give up driving cars, so why can’t something be done about guns and the lack of responsibility of many of the people who own them. (Note I said many, not all.)

    As mentioned in other posts, lack of respect is a huge issue and yes it is.
    But if one is too stupid (sorry ignorant) or unable (for reasons not having to do with intelligence) to pass a drivers test, well that really affects their ability to work, get the things they needs and function in our world.
    I know many will say that people (in the US anyway) have the right to own guns and defend themselves, but being able to support oneself and function is of really high importance too, but guess what…. You no pass test you no get DL.
    Why should guns be so different?

    It is unsafe to turn loose someone with DUI convictions or the inability to follow driving laws to be on the road. So why is it so easy for such people to carry around a weapon that can so easily cause bodily harm with no training, screening, or testing what-so-ever?
         
        08-22-2012, 07:00 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by Lockwood    
    Holy Smokes, Face. Finally something I agree with you on 100% !!

    It was such a shock when I moved from a deeply conservative area of the US to one of the most liberal areas. This was one of the biggest differences in mindset and the one thing that was so hard to discuss with the people from that area.
    Haha...we agree on lots of things. I just try to hide it... Plus, on those things we do agree on by the time I find the thread you have already said what I would have said anyway. But we disagree on a lot of things too and I have full confidence that you will come to your senses one day...
         
        08-22-2012, 07:16 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Even if we can pinpoint those that have a potential will to act violently and prevent them from purchasing weapons from reputable sources, they will purchase them illegitimately or take them from a friend/family member behind their backs. Some of these people know exactly what they're doing, and others may think they're on mars. Anyone who is not of sound mind while committing a crime like this is obviously sick (likely physical changes in neurotransmitters/brain function, TBI etc). I think calling it a "social" disease is a cop out for them not being able to type and prevent future events.

    No good way to word this. If there's a will there's a way.
    If people involved in others lives, no matter how big or small of a role, stopped saying "oh they'd never do that," and stepped up to acting on a red flag prevention may rise..
         
        08-22-2012, 07:29 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Faceman I am not rationalizing anything nor am I condoning it.
    As a therapist I have seen up front how many careers, marriages, families, and lives have been destroyed by someone using a mind altering chemical.
    In past threads you havde accused me of using emotional reasoning and neglecting logical evidence.
    Now I can reverse that charge.
    Lockwood do not be surprised at our friend Faceman.
    He is not some rigid right winger I can assure you.
    He says what he believes and says it withourt apologizing.
    Would you have it any other way?
    You will always know where he stands. Gotta respect that. Shalom
         

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