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    08-22-2012, 09:48 PM
  #41
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Kittenval there is nothing stupid about your question concerning recreational drugs
The term applies to any drug not used for medicinal purposes or the manner it prescribed for.
Pot is not physically addicting.
However it is a depressant and you do go through a withdrawl stage.
Does the recent number of mass shootings not warrant a closer look at how easy it is to buy and sell firearms?
I do know if I purchase a firearm from Faceman as a private citizen he does not have to do a backgrund check.
He is not a dealer and would have no way of conducting the check.
That is an easy way for anyone to access guns
I have had patients that have threatened to do harm to themselves or others.
If you check yourself into a mental hospital you can check yourself out.
A Dr may prevent you from doing so only for a couple of days then a judge must order you held.
You can be held indefintely however very few are held longer than a few days or weeks.
Then they are free to do as they please for the most part.
This is a great discussion. Shalom
     
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    08-22-2012, 09:54 PM
  #42
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But you still have to (re?)register a gun when you buy from private party? Or not necessarily? I never owned one, so I don't know how the whole procedure of buying/selling works.
     
    08-22-2012, 10:03 PM
  #43
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Lockwood, I am not sure what you personally are advocating. Research into gun safety mechanisms, more gun control, or ???
BTW, there is little that isn't covered by the constitution. Unconstitutional laws are written, and some are challenged. So, not all laws are constitutional nor do they need to be unconstitutional in order to address safety.
If I say so and so is too stupid to own a gun, maybe I can say so and so it to stupid to have a kid, and since I would be in a position of power w the only gun, who is going to challenge me? Next, I will be singing on the radio b/c I can...whoa, talk about a safety risk!!!

The constitution has zero affect on the human gene pool, hence "human nature". And until human nature changes, there is no better document to protect people from the extremely high safety risk associated w tyrants.
     
    08-22-2012, 10:07 PM
  #44
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You do not have to register a gun in the State of Texas.
Probably not any state in the South.
The shooter in Colorado purchased over 15000 $ worth of guns and ammo before he shot up the theater.
Even the staunchest gun rights advocate should see something wrong with that. Shalom
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    08-22-2012, 10:07 PM
  #45
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
But you still have to (re?)register a gun when you buy from private party? Or not necessarily? I never owned one, so I don't know how the whole procedure of buying/selling works.
I couldn't remember so I grabbed this off google real quick from the New England Journal of Medicine.....
MMS: Error
The link has the whole article.

" In 2007, a total of 12,632 people in the United States were murdered with firearms, and it is estimated that another 48,676 were treated in hospitals for gunshot wounds received in assaults. Guns are frequently used to commit crimes in the United States, partly because they are so easy to get. This ease of access, in turn, is partially attributable to the fact that there are two systems of retail gun commerce in this country, one involving licensed gun retailers and the other based on private-party gun sellers, and only the former of these systems is regulated. Some 85% of all guns used in crimes and then recovered by law-enforcement agencies have been sold at least once by private parties.

To buy a gun from a gun dealer or other federally licensed gun retailer, you must show identification. You must certify on a lengthy form that you are buying the gun for yourself and that you are not a member of any of several classes of people (including felons and persons under felony indictment, fugitives, domestic-violence offenders, controlled-substance addicts, persons “adjudicated as a mental defective,” and certain others) who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms. A background check will be conducted. In more than 90% of cases, the check is completed within minutes, but if there is uncertainty you may wait up to 3 days to get your gun. The retailer must keep a permanent record of your purchase. If you buy more than one handgun from that retailer within 5 business days, the retailer must report the details of your purchase to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).

However, under federal law you can also legally buy as many guns as you want from a private party, and none of those procedural safeguards will apply. Private-party gun sales can be completely anonymous and undocumented. Private sellers are not required to see identification or keep records, and they cannot initiate background checks. A brief negotiation over price, an exchange of cash, gun, and a handshake, and your purchase is complete. "

EDIT: Not sure why the link says error, but it works.
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    08-22-2012, 10:20 PM
  #46
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Lockwood, I am not sure what you personally are advocating. Research into gun safety mechanisms, more gun control, or ???
BTW, there is little that isn't covered by the constitution. Unconstitutional laws are written, and some are challenged. So, not all laws are constitutional nor do they need to be unconstitutional in order to address safety.
If I say so and so is too stupid to own a gun, maybe I can say so and so it to stupid to have a kid, and since I would be in a position of power w the only gun, who is going to challenge me? Next, I will be singing on the radio b/c I can...whoa, talk about a safety risk!!!

The constitution has zero affect on the human gene pool, hence "human nature". And until human nature changes, there is no better document to protect people from the extremely high safety risk associated w tyrants.
Not advocating anything. Just muse-ing on different ways to split the atom.
While we don't tell people they cannot have kids, we do take them away in certain situations. Yeah, often it is deemed for the good of the child so I'm not arguing that.
There are plenty of times when a person's liberties or rights are trod upon, but none seems to garner the angst or stink as this.

For me, the article didn't make me think of my constitutional rights (or infringement upon) as much as the lack of planning or ways to deal with the problem, like we have for so many other problems and whatever pc name we would like to give the problem.

Oh yeah... I think I can hear the dogs howling now!
BTW, a duet with me would make you sound MUCH better!
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    08-22-2012, 10:21 PM
  #47
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Kittenval there is nothing stupid about your question concerning recreational drugs
The term applies to any drug not used for medicinal purposes or the manner it prescribed for.
Pot is not physically addicting.
However it is a depressant and you do go through a withdrawl stage.
Does the recent number of mass shootings not warrant a closer look at how easy it is to buy and sell firearms?
That definition makes sense, I guess.

Does the decades old flood of illegals not warrant a closer look at the borders, and what kind of weapons they carry in or out?

Planes are rather primative, so are hand guns when it comes to a real threat. What should we do? Declare marshal law until earth is as it is in heaven?
     
    08-22-2012, 11:02 PM
  #48
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Missy May to protect its citizens from random attacks the State of Israel took very drastic measure to stop the violence. They were successful.
They did indeed shut thier borders and you cannot go anywhere without passing through a metal detector.
Yet Israel has one of the most heavily armed populations in the world.
Everyone over 18 is either in the army or on reserve status. Until age 45.
The weapons are heavily regulated and their access is still available.
In case of war.
IMO no one has any use for a semi automatic weapon unless they are in a war zone. Or on the way to one. Shalom
     
    08-22-2012, 11:29 PM
  #49
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Missy May to protect its citizens from random attacks the State of Israel took very drastic measure to stop the violence. They were successful.
They did indeed shut thier borders and you cannot go anywhere without passing through a metal detector.
Yet Israel has one of the most heavily armed populations in the world.
Everyone over 18 is either in the army or on reserve status. Until age 45.
The weapons are heavily regulated and their access is still available.
In case of war.
IMO no one has any use for a semi automatic weapon unless they are in a war zone. Or on the way to one. Shalom
Well, its nice Israel cares about their citizenry - which enjoy a common culture, language, and protected borders in a country smaller than vermont.

Ya know, db, you shouldn't think the worst of all people. For example, I don't think all people that golf are disgusting enemies of the environment that fantasize about torching off the redwoods simply because most golf courses are an insult to the environment, have a huge footprint, displace little animals, and use up too much water. And, I don't think people that enjoy target practice should have to use single action. You should try to see the good in your fellow man once in a while.
     
    08-23-2012, 12:18 AM
  #50
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Missy May I do look for the best in all of humanity.
If I have failed to convey that in my post then I need to improve my communication skills
I do not think everyone is out to take advantage of others or are looking for thier next victim.
Life is too short to think like that .
There is goodness in all of us.
However I do not see the world thru rose coloured glasses. Shalom
     

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