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        08-23-2012, 02:22 PM
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    Come on, guys...if it didn't have political rammifications, Michael Moore would not have made it in the first place. That is what he does, for Heaven sakes. Has he made a documentary about the lives that have been saved by the brandishment or use of guns? Of course not - and he won't, because as Missy said, it does not advance his agenda.

    If Sean Hannity made a documentary about welfare, would you expect it to be unbiased and apolitical?...
         
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        08-23-2012, 03:09 PM
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    Come on, guys...if it didn't have political rammifications, Michael Moore would not have made it in the first place. That is what he does, for Heaven sakes. Has he made a documentary about the lives that have been saved by the brandishment or use of guns? Of course not - and he won't, because as Missy said, it does not advance his agenda.
    But the statistics in his documentary does say different, FM. If there are less guns here than in Canada still much more violence and shooting (as we can see, especially lately) the problem is not the guns really.

    I don't know any documentary about saving lives with guns! May be you have to offer the idea to this guy!
         
        08-23-2012, 03:11 PM
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    If Sean Hannity made a documentary about welfare, would you expect it to be unbiased and apolitical?...
    I'd be curious to see one. Not a documentary, but at least a really good statistics. I don't remember seeing a really good and trusted gov site that would publish that.
         
        08-23-2012, 03:23 PM
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    Faceman if Hannity made a documentary I would watch it only if I could do so without putting any money in his pocket.
    I would just like I watch his show from time to time to see how distorted some of the things he says can be. How he and the rest of the host especially O'rielly bully thier guest that have differing view is very troubling to me. If they were so secure in thier views someone that thought differently would be given a chance to rebut anything they said without being interrupted.
    I would not watch Beck though.
    Faceman you get a show I would indeed watch you. Shalom
         
        08-23-2012, 04:41 PM
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    Green Broke
    Here is the problem: If I prepared a "documentary" on modern day heroin use in the US, and only included the statistic of number of addicts in the US- what have I "documented" that the US taxpayer hasn't already paid big bucks to be "documented", and couldn't look up in less than 30 seconds? Zip. With few exceptions, heroin use is ordinarily taken to mean humans administering to themselves. The key word: humans. One MIGHT want to add what humans are taking it and where, who is selling it, when it was made illegal, the punishment for user and seller, the purity, etc., etc., etc.,. Otherwise, you might as well do a "documentary" on how many grains of sand, size unspecified, are in a cc.

    Same thing w guns - regardless of what country it is you are discussing. I am taking a wild guess here....Moore didn't look south in his "documentary"??
         
        08-23-2012, 05:00 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Faceman if Hannity made a documentary I would watch it only if I could do so without putting any money in his pocket.
    I would just like I watch his show from time to time to see how distorted some of the things he says can be. How he and the rest of the host especially O'rielly bully thier guest that have differing view is very troubling to me. If they were so secure in thier views someone that thought differently would be given a chance to rebut anything they said without being interrupted.
    I would not watch Beck though.
    Faceman you get a show I would indeed watch you. Shalom
    Never happen...my thought process is too logical to have a political commentary show. Whether on the right or the left, you pretty much have to support insanely illogical positions or nobody watches...that's why we don't have any really objective mainstream news sources. Heck, I'm not totally convinced we have any objective secondary or tertiary news sources.

    Actually, O'Reily is what I would term relatively objective with conservative leanings. I have seen him highly critical of conservative postions. It is hard to watch him though, because as you say he doesn't let his guests talk. I hate when reporters do that - ask a question and then interrupt so constantly that the guest never has an opportunity to answer. They all do it, but O'Reily is about the worst.

    Even though you are a wacko liberal, he would rate you as a Patriot rather than a Pinhead though...I think...maybe...well, it is within the realm of possibility...when the devil gets frostbite...and when that animal you won't touch flies...
         
        08-23-2012, 05:29 PM
      #67
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    Faceman sadly you are right about the extreme views get the air time.
    O Rielly has apologized for being wrong and handled the interview with Pres Obama very well I might add.
    He showed a lot of respect for the Office Obama holds and tempered his attitude to comply.
    I do find his show and his books boastful and self serving. His ego is hugely over inflated.
    Until both parties come togehter and work on a solution to all this gun violence none will ever be resolved.
    Sadly more lives will be lost because of partisian polotics. Shalom
         
        08-24-2012, 09:40 AM
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    Originally Posted by Missy May    
    Moore didn't look south in his "documentary"??
    I don't know. I watched that movie 10+ years ago, and I only keep the facts I found interesting in my memory.
         
        08-24-2012, 10:27 AM
      #69
    Yearling
    People have been killing each other for years. If not a gun it would be something else, spears, sword, poison, boiling water, sharp stick...whatever. The bad guys will always find a way to have weapons...In my opinion it would be far better, to arm the common people instead of taking their defense away. And giving then proper lessons in how to use the gun...
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        08-24-2012, 01:29 PM
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    I will say this. Romans used to watch people each other in coliseums. Bare Knuckle boxing has been around in every culture. Hunting has always been a big part of human nature. We aren't getting more violent nor is society collapsing, The difference is these days violence is more socially unacceptable leading people to freak out when it does happen.

    I'm not saying it is okay to going around killing people, but I don't think its a new trend.
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