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post #21 of 92 Old 10-05-2011, 09:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Whisper22;Not owning a gun just because the world SHOULDN'T be as violent as it IS, really doesn't do you a whole lot of good. That's crazy Obama talk right there.[/QUOTE]


Obama never said or inferred that.
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I would love to shoot off my horses - but I don't think the crazy things would ever fully get desensitized to the gun. However - I do think I need to try my new recurve bow on horseback.

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Obama never said or inferred that.
Not about guns, but he did do something very similar. This isn't a debate about Obama though, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Wow, just wow.



As a fifteen year veteran cop, I find this comment almost too offensive to risk commenting on. I have spent too many hours breaking up violent fights, separating violent domestic violence combatants, tackling drug dealers, for ANYONE to tell me we don't protect anyone. I got between a man stabbing another at great risk to myself. Even so, the victim had two stab wounds. He lived, but without my intervention he would have been DRT (dead right there).



I like owning many weapons, but I have all of mine registered. You can rant all you want but there are a LOT of people I don't want to see owning guns.
And registration schemes wont prevent a single one of them from having one. Here's a news flash for you criminals dont obey the laws, or register their guns. The jump through hoops redtape only makes it harder for the good guys. Areas with the strictist gun laws have the most gun crime. Ever hear of someone shooting up a NRA meeting ? Nope they hit schools, airports, and states like California where they know only the bad guys have guns.

Actually it was proven in court police dont protect anyone and have no legal obligation to. That was a specific ruling that started the ball rolling on virginia's right to carry law.
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Anytime! We're working on the compound bow now. She flinches a little when you release, silly mare...gun fire doesn't even get a raised hair.

You're welcome to come shoot too Cat. It's a good time! Especially when you outshoot your hubby who's on the ground

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Actually it was proven in court police dont protect anyone and have no legal obligation to. That was a specific ruling that started the ball rolling on virginia's right to carry law.
What a sad way to look at life.
I don't know one of my co-workers, or myself, who wouldn't risk their life to protect you. Now, isn't that ironic, considering how little you think of us?
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Let's jump to the other side of the world for a tic. Over here in oz I'm quite glad no one carries. Gun licences are fairly easy to get and no criminals don't bother with them most of the time.

Gun crime isn't a major problem guns are harder to get especially for young teenagers.

Rural areas guns are the norm sometimes licensed But basically everyone who owns guns knows how to use them and respects them.

Mandatory licensing is a good thing in my eyes
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Anytime! We're working on the compound bow now. She flinches a little when you release, silly mare...gun fire doesn't even get a raised hair.

You're welcome to come shoot too Cat. It's a good time! Especially when you outshoot your hubby who's on the ground

I'm in!

LOL - guys always hate it when you out shoot them. I was at a cookout a while back and they had a shoot out for quarters. 4 guys and me. I came in and won the whole pot of quarters which was quite big at that point (well as far as quarters go). Thankfully the guys were all good natured about it.
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Lol everyone around here is super redneck about gun control.. The gubment will NOT take our firearms!!
Truthfully, though, they are completely correct in that statement. The government truly has no authority to enter a person's home and seize their guns no matter what gun control laws they pull out of their ass. Not only does our 2nd amendment right guarantee that, but according to our Constitution, the government itself only has law enforcement authority over 3 things: treason, counterfeiting, and piracy of the high seas.

Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theory nut or something but my Dad is a county sheriff and he has done a lot of investigating into this exact thing. The FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, and all those other agencies with initials don't really have any authority over the laws that they supposedly enforce. They have usurped the constitution and taken authority that is not rightfully theirs, and we Americans have been brainwashed for so many generations to obey all those in authority positions that we just allowed it to happen.

The highest law enforcement authority figure is your local elected sheriff. He decides what happens in his county and he is completely within his rights and authority to tell any of those government "agents" to politely kiss his ass and get out of his county if they show up and try to start running things. That's why it's so important to make sure that good sheriffs are elected. The only ones who may have authority over him would be your state officials like state police or, in my case, the Texas Rangers. I am unsure of the chain of command in that respect.

Anyway, getting off my high horse now.....

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The as long as there are people there will be weapons. And there will be criminals. I pray i never have to use a gun on a person, but when it comes down to me, a female, being home alone and someone breaks in I want to be able to have a chance at protecting myself.

Now if i didn't have a gun in that situation what would happen? Would i be robbed? Raped? Murdered?

I'd rather not find out.
This is the way that I feel as well. Due to the experience I got at my last job, I (unfortunately) know more about human nature and what really happens in the world than I ever wanted to. It has made me very cautious, bordering on paranoid. Because I have been trained for firearms, I am confident in my ability to carry and use them in a way that will protect me or another person. If there were no bad guys out there with guns, I don't know if I would still feel the need to carry one...maybe, maybe not. BUT, there will always be bad guys with guns and if nothing else, I will be on equal ground with them in that respect.

Oh and just so everyone knows, when you practice shooting, aim center mass. When someone is coming at you, aim center mass. The chances for your average person to be able to hit an attacker in the leg during an emergency situation is very small and even if you do hit them, the odds that it will stop them are also relatively small. If they are determined or high enough to come toward a loaded gun, then a leg shot likely won't stop them.

Also, just for your legal safety in the event you are ever involved in a shooting... if you tell the lawyers "I was taught to aim center mass so that's what I did", then that is a huge step in your defense. Also, never ever ever utter the words "shoot to kill". Always just say you were "shooting to stop him". Saying you were shooting to kill, even if you were the one being attacked, can get you a manslaughter charge.
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Gun control is the Liberals way of making sure that a 120lbs woman maintains her right to wrestle with her 300lb rapist/murderer. Bad things happen even in Canada however in the US we have managed so far to maintain our right to defend ourselves. I don't want to rely on our overworked and spread-too-thin sherrifs department to defend myself or my family. Most assaults are over in less than a minute but the average police response time in an urban area(which I don't frequent) is more than 5 minutes. As far as I'm concerned the police are for the investigation of crimes NOT the prevention of them.

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