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        10-05-2011, 11:50 PM
      #31
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    I like the freedom to have guns. If someone busts into my house at 3:00am, it's certainly not for good intentions. A gun pointing at him will run him off before calling the authorities would. (Not saying I'd shoot him/her unless they tried to shoot me) Weapons are solely for self defense in my family's household, (except for the occasional target practice with my .22.) I'd rather be safe than sorry, cause I'm going to need more than a bat if a burglar is armed.
         
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        10-05-2011, 11:59 PM
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    Gun control is the Liberals way of making sure that a 120lbs woman maintains her right to wrestle with her 300lb rapist/murderer. Bad things happen even in Canada however in the US we have managed so far to maintain our right to defend ourselves. I don't want to rely on our overworked and spread-too-thin sherrifs department to defend myself or my family. Most assaults are over in less than a minute but the average police response time in an urban area(which I don't frequent) is more than 5 minutes. As far as I'm concerned the police are for the investigation of crimes NOT the prevention of them.
    Exactly, urban areas average 5 minutes. If you live in an area like mine, your closest cop may be 40 miles or more. Heck, you'd be dead, buried, and your house would be cleaned up before the cops got there.
         
        10-06-2011, 12:08 AM
      #33
    Trained
    Same here smrobs. Hell, you could be killed here and they would be lucky to find your body...
         
        10-06-2011, 09:17 AM
      #34
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    I dint say a cop wouldnt help me, if he could. I said they wont, because they probably wont get there in time. Courts have also specifically ruled cops have no legal obligation to help any particular person. The specific case was Law enforcement was sued because a man was beaten to death , even though the cops were called over and over and never came. The family filed suit and lost. The judge ruled LEO, does the best they can but arnt legally obligated to protect or aid any particular person. That ruling opened the doors for our right to carry law.
    Licensing, registration, and the like are just precursors to confiscation. Crooks wont do it. Right now we have licensing, registration, show ID, of the ingredients for crystal meth and look how well that works. It would be great to wave a magic wand and "poof" no bad guys get guns but it wont happen. Even if it could doesnt soemone of less physical stature have the right to the means of self defense ?
    Every totalitarian oppressive government in history has enacted arms control on the population before crushing freedoms.
         
        10-06-2011, 09:29 AM
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    What some native Canadians don't seem to understand, is that deadly weapons have always been a part of US culture. Just because they don't understand the culture doesn't mean we're a bloodthirsty, shoot first ask questions later, society.

    That's bigotry, prejudice, profiling, and short sightedness at its very worst. I don't consider Canadians 'wimpy' because they don't have the death penalty or carry guns as a regular part of life, so for certain Canucks to believe we're all a bunch of murderous, gun totin' psychopaths really irks me.

    Being able to own guns is part and parcel of American life. Not everyone has a gun, and the majority of those that do are very respectful of the fact that firearms are deadly.

    I've taken the requisite courses and would never raise a gun in anger at another human being. However, if I pick it up, I have every intention of using it. Firearms are not to be used to 'threaten' anyone, because that's a good way to get yourself killed.

    Those of us who understand and are comfortable with firearms know that they're a very useful tool. They're also a very deadly tool, and anyone with any sense knows that they need to be respectful of that fact. They're not playthings, nor is it 'cool' to own them.

    If you're nervous or afraid of guns, then you should never own one. You should especially never own one if you don't have the respect for what they can do, or understand the weightiness of responsibility just owning them entails.
         
        10-06-2011, 09:42 AM
      #36
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    Originally Posted by Joe4d    
    I dint say a cop wouldnt help me, if he could. I said they wont, because they probably wont get there in time.
    Then don't say WON'T, say can't. It is a world of difference.

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    Courts have also specifically ruled cops have no legal obligation to help any particular person.

    Wrong. The courts say we have no legal obligation to guarantee Their safety. Again, HUGE difference.

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    The specific case was Law enforcement was sued because a man was beaten to death , even though the cops were called over and over and never came. The family filed suit and lost. The judge ruled LEO, does the best they can but arnt legally obligated to protect or aid any particular person. That ruling opened the doors for our right to carry law.
    I am very familiar with that case. It boiled down to the GUARANTEE of safety, which no one can make, even if they had protection 24/7. It is unreasonable to expect police to promise nothing bad will happen to you. If you are going to quote legal precedent, at least get the gist of the case correct.

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    Licensing, registration, and the like are just precursors to confiscation. Crooks wont do it. Right now we have licensing, registration, show ID, of the ingredients for crystal meth and look how well that works.
    Works better than you think. NC passed strict laws on the sale of Epi products. Meth production tanked and much of it moved elsewhere. Now, new methods of production are causing a challenge.
         
        10-06-2011, 10:57 AM
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    Allison said it all already. Joe, I wonder if you could give a reference to what you say before blaming the cops/law. They may be late? Of course. As well as ambulance, and firefighters. But I've seen them catching some "objects" in DC, MD and NYC. I also have seen them to respond to citizen complaints quite fast in MD and NYC.
         
        10-06-2011, 11:06 AM
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    The LEO motto is 'to protect and serve', not GUARANTEE safety. Nobody can guarantee someone's safety, not even to themselves.

    Kates, I have to address your post, too. You have the entirely wrong attitude about firearms. If you pick it up, you'd better have every intention of using it. 'Scaring' someone should never be the purpose behind picking up a weapon.
         
        10-06-2011, 11:34 AM
      #39
    Trained
    Interesting thread, and well-travelled, too. DH and I are gun owners, our guns are all registered, we've hunted some and Always had the appropriate/updated licenses. Most of our bullets end up killing possoms, and the last kill was 3 adult raccoons in my grain room who were terrorizing our barn cat matron, "Favorite," a 10 year old grey tabby.
    Spyder, you are wise to fear just anybody handling a gun. Here, in Illinois, the LAST bastion of "you can't carry a concealed weapon" in the U.S., we have to jump through all of the hoops to buy a gun. Therefore, any criminal--and DH has been hired to defend many of them in the course of his practice--that uses a gun during a crime has somehow gotten theirs without jumping through those hoops. I'm not particularly afraid of them coming to my door bc I live too far away from the closest city. If that were to happen my first line of defense is my 2 dogs, friendly but definitely are watchdogs when we're away and at night. A criminal's bullet would put them down, so I figure my gun protects me AND my dogs.
    No one has bothered to mention WHY our founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment in the first place. It was so the Americans could protect themselves against their own government. When King George allowed British soldiers to "quarter" themselves in Colonial homes, they took what they wanted from the homeowners. Our Founding Fathers found this repugnant. When the Constituion was created from a thorough study of Ancient Greek, Ancient Roman and English Law, they (being very well educated in the history AND the law) allowed the future Americans the ability to change their country, but gave us the ability to protect ourselves against tyranny which they experienced as Colonists. This was when King George was trying to pay for the French and Indian War by overtaxing the Colonists. He figured that the Colonists were the biggest beneficiaries, so they should pay the most for it.
    I live in a little town of 200, and we have many gun owners there. You are unlikely to see any of them walking around with their gun. We know that you only point a gun bc you will immediately use it. It is NOT a warning like a whip can be to a horse. However, if there is an incident at my house, I can guarantee my gun-owning neighbors will show up with their guns to help me.
         
        10-06-2011, 12:09 PM
      #40
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    The LEO motto is 'to protect and serve', not GUARANTEE safety. Nobody can guarantee someone's safety, not even to themselves.

    Kates, I have to address your post, too. You have the entirely wrong attitude about firearms. If you pick it up, you'd better have every intention of using it. 'Scaring' someone should never be the purpose behind picking up a weapon.
    So killing someone should always be the purpose behind picking up a weapon? Right, and here I thought we wanted America to look non violent. I'm talking in the case of self defense only. Nothing will stop me from shooting someone if I have to. However if I have a feeling my house is getting broken into, I will have a gun on me for my own safety.
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