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        10-07-2011, 12:23 AM
      #81
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    Well at least this thread confirms the picture I originally posted.




    Also that the killing of people just doesn't seem to have any effect on the population as a whole.

    I still remember the scene from a certain hockey game a few years ago and it was so telling about the nature and attitude of violence in the US.

    Sad really.
    Those are some pretty sweeping generalities. If that picture is the way the United States comes off to you, whatever. But by the end of your post you've switched from talking about your perceptions: "this is how your country comes off to me" to opinion masquerading as fact: "this (one hockey game) is indicative of your WHOLE country's mentality when it comes to violence," which I find to be ridiculous. But not quite as ridiculous as the implication that Americans are somehow more numb to people dying than other countries. Have you ever even been to the U.S.?
         
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        10-07-2011, 12:32 AM
      #82
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    Heck

    Never said Canada is safe. In fact with the immigration rate the way it is I feel less safe than I did 10-15-20 years ago.

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    Gee thanks, as a very new Canadian Citizen, I'm sorry I have affected your perception of safety

    Or do you exclude white middle aged women from the potential threat
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        10-07-2011, 12:33 AM
      #83
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    Originally Posted by Serendipitous    
    Those are some pretty sweeping generalities. If that picture is the way the United States comes off to you, whatever. But by the end of your post you've switched from talking about your perceptions: "this is how your country comes off to me" to opinion masquerading as fact: "this (one hockey game) is indicative of your WHOLE country's mentality when it comes to violence," which I find to be ridiculous. But not quite as ridiculous as the implication that Americans are somehow more numb to people dying than other countries. Have you ever even been to the U.S.?

    Been to the US...Yes.

    I referred to the hockey game because of what precipitated before the brawl that day and it was in the stands...not the players...who were appalled by the goings on actually. It was written up on both Canadian and American media with interesting points of views from that source also.

    The brawl simply made me say to myself...hmmm well what else would I have expected. So no my perception didn't change, just had me shaking my head.
         
        10-07-2011, 01:49 AM
      #84
    Cat
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    I find your mention of hockey ironic in this thread. Hockey is as much Canadian as it is American - if not more so. And Canadian-born player are seeping in violence.

    I mean come on - Bertuzzi? Your non-violent Canadian comrade came up behind a US player and punched him in the back of the head knocking him out. Not to mention many of the players on American teams that are noted for violence are actually Canadian born. Matt Cooke is one that comes to mind.

    And lets not leave out the Canadian hockey fans! How about Vancouver? All nice and safe until it looses the Stanley cup.

    And I still don't understand how hockey relates to guns. Nor how owning guns equates violence. I own guns. I like to practice shooting with guns. But I don't even want to go hunting with guns as I don't think I could stomach shooting an animal. (Just my personal feeling - nothing against hunters at all) Yet if it came down to my safety or that of my family vs. pulling my gun and shooting on a threat - I would do it in an instant. The gun will at least give me a chance in an otherwise uneven fight. Do I expect to ever be attacked? No, but I would prefer to be prepared.

    Its like having fire extinguishers and smoke detectors in your home. You never expect to have a fire and you do things to prevent fires and you hope you never have to use those tools in that type of situation, but you have them because they are tools that may help you get out safe and survive.
         
        10-07-2011, 02:08 AM
      #85
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    Guns don't kill people. People kill people. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!!!!!!!!! Sad, but true.
    Lots of people here have guns. But it's more of a redneck thing and LOTZ of people who hunt for their food. Many of the hunters take it really seriously and are extremely safe. (yes sometimes you have the really bad accidents)
    I also agree that as long as bad people have guns and want to harm we should have a way to protect ourselves and family.
         
        10-07-2011, 02:11 AM
      #86
    Cat
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    Originally Posted by Cat    
    All nice and safe until it looses the Stanley cup.
    Please forgive me - that was supposed to be *loses* - its been a long day.
         
        10-07-2011, 02:26 AM
      #87
    Foal
    Another thing I have to add is: (keep in mind I'm not blaming the media)
    Much of the media (movies, books, games, news) is focusing on the violence and blood and killing. As a society I sadly feel we have come to accept, and in some cases even laugh at the death portrayed in many movies, books and games because we say 'oh, it's not real'. This mentality is exactly what gets us into thinking real killing is ok because when you see real killing you are so numb to the meaning of death we shrug our shoulders and move on. I sadly feel that some if the criminals get ideas of torture from some of the movies now a days. It is down right scary and sometimes makes me never want to leave my house.
    Human morals are terrible nowadays. Many people are so heartless and just don't care the slightest bit. Not caring + bad morals + weapon = death to others. Sad as it may be it is true.
    People are killing for the stupidest reasons too which makes it even worse.
    I really think that if people found deep in their hearts the ability to care for and friendily love others you would find a completely different place. It all just starts with removing the unnecessary violence from everyday life.
         
        10-07-2011, 07:54 AM
      #88
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    Originally Posted by Cat    
    Please forgive me - that was supposed to be *loses* - its been a long day.

    Same here.

    I don't know how many people remember the incident when two gun happy pilots gunned down FRIENDLY units even though they were clearly marked and were told that they were FRIENDLY units over in Afghanistan.

    The friendly units were Canadians and I believe there were other units from other countries also mowed down. The gun happy pilots were reprimanded later.

    It was all over in the news esp since they were told friendly units were there.

    How does that relate to a hockey game...well

    Later that evening a Canadian team were in I believe New York or Boston, I can't remember which city. EVERYONE ( including Canadian fans) respectfully were silent when the American anthem was played. HOWEVER when the Canadian anthem was played jeers, insults and beer bottle were thrown. Of course this resulted in a brawl in the STANDS not the ice or between the players. The players from both teams had nothing to do with it and were actually appalled.

    THAT hockey game incident was played by the media on both sides with different points of view. Not only were the the fans basically representing their American outlook at visiting teams their timing for such a display show extreme poor taste and if I remember correctly even the US president made an apologetic comment.

    The view over here is...well what do you expect from them. This view is not JUST MINE but all of Canada.

    So Cat that is where the mentality of if you have guns just mow down anything that moves comes from.
         
        10-07-2011, 08:15 AM
      #89
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
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    The view over here is...well what do you expect from them. This view is not JUST MINE but all of Canada.
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    Pretty broad statement for you to make that ALL Canadians hold that point of view. Considering that the ones I know, beside you (and I barely claim that as I only know what drivel you post here) do not. I think you need to rethink you assumptions and maybe talk to people outside of your "circle" before making such sweeping statements about the mentality of everyone in your country or any country for that matter.
         
        10-07-2011, 08:29 AM
      #90
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    Pretty broad statement for you to make that ALL Canadians hold that point of view. Considering that the ones I know, beside you (and I barely claim that as I only know what drivel you post here) do not. I think you need to rethink you assumptions and maybe talk to people outside of your "circle" before making such sweeping statements about the mentality of everyone in your country or any country for that matter.

    YOUR view is irrelevant as that is what the media posted and sorry this is the view OUTSIDE my circle of friends, nor is it confined to just Canada.

    I am just posting what was reported in the media and their comments taken from the average person on the street the day after...people I don't even know. But since YOU were not the person on the street you would not expect to know what people here think.

    This very thread and the comments on it simply prove that the thinking in the US is pretty much as I expected.

    It is sad that most comments made here do not make any effort to convince me that I am wrong but in fact defend the right to load up with guns.
         

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