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post #91 of 101 Old 04-07-2012, 03:51 PM
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This thread is awesome...it illustrates a wide variety of thoughts of guns, gun control effectiveness, and pros and cons going each way.
Here in AZ, if you can pass the NICS check (FBI instant background check), you can buy any firearm on the shelf, with the exception of fully automatic firearms.
To buy those, you need a Class 3 license from the ATF. It takes 4-6 months for the paperwork to go through to get "authorization" to own one.
There is currently a law either on Jan Brewer's desk or she signed it, that permits the use of suppressed firearms for hunting.
One more on its way to her desk is legislation permitting carry of a sidearm while hunting.
I bowhunt a lot, and having a handgun on my hip is a beautiful thing.

A woman once asked me why I felt the need to carry a firearm on my hip in a grocery store.
My reply was simple.
I told her,"Maam, I carry for 3 reasons. First, it's my right to defend myself and my family by any means necessary. Secondly, I never know who I am going to run into on any given day,, be they friend or foe, wanting to wishe me well or do me harm. Lastly, it is my personal choice. Lethal force is not something to be taken lightly, and I pray I never have to use it. I prefer to use it as a deterrent, that my presence alone might persuade someone from doing something stupid."
She seemed a bit perplexed, as though I had just thrown all her preconceived notions into a blender, and hit puree.
I make zero excuses for carrying a firearm.
I am very proud to carry, and do so all the time when lawful to do so.
I choose to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, so if that other wolf wants to take a bite, they get a nasty surprise.
If confronted with force, I have the opportunity to respond in kind.
They cannot testify if theyre on a slab.

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post #92 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 02:21 PM
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I read a lot of the threads where people are TERRIFIED of guns. I used to be the same way, and then I got out of retail sales. Yep - the first time I had a gun pulled on me, I peed my pants. I was more pro-active the next couple of times, although the establishment was still robbed and I was still scared to death. After that, a home invasion where I was duct-taped and told to keep my head down. Fortunately, the idiots weren't interested in a skinny girl. The last time was in 1992 when my psychotic ex-boyfriend held my husband and me hostage for a number of hours. We lived - he didn't.

The whole point of this post is that if you're afraid of guns, go to a shooting range and have the range master teach you how to shoot. After that, the fear goes away. I guess it's the fear of the unknown. Now that I know how a gun works and how accurate it is from certain distances, I don't freak out when I see someone carrying one.

My grandma kept a .38 behind the counter of her liquor store ~

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post #93 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 03:28 PM
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I don't conceal carry, yet. But I have a 5" blade folding knife I always have that's really for just general use. But if you can shoot a pistol well and properly and want to carry, go and get a permit if you need one if your state.. Vermont its not. I support women that shoot and will carry. We need more women to be into firearms and archery too would be awesome! Its a great and if done properly a safe sport to do, you can get your family into it if they want to. But still even go and do a pistol or shooting course with your local range and see if you like it and if you do get into firearms cause its lots of fun, you can meet great people at the range and gun shops.
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post #94 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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id recommend OC pepper spray over a knife, or even a gun in most cases. Unlike a bullet you can undo what you did. And ask any one who has been OC''d that stuff is no joke. Get a bigger can maybe as big around as a quarter. Not the itty bitty keychain models, although anythign is better than nothing. Attach another can to the dasboard of your car.
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post #95 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 03:45 PM
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I would too Joe, but the knife is for not really self defense. And I have gotten some pepper spray in my eyes and even a tiny amount kills! Its not fun and it burns. So gun or pepper spray works. But id go with a gun.



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post #96 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 03:49 PM
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MorabMom, your story almost made me pee my pants. OMG. I can't believe you had all that happen. We have had several close calls. My children were already buckled into the back seat of our truck in Macon one night. I was about to get into my seat. A man pushed me, started into the back seat, and reached for my daughter who was 7 at the time. My husband took out his gun. The man relocated rapidly. Without the gun, I don't know what would have happened. It is possible that we could have physically fought him off. This way, nobody got hurt. I would never go into Macon unarmed any more. I also carry when I ride. I pulled my gun out when a man drove his truck at my horse and attempted to hit us. Again, I didn't actually have to shoot him. I will say that both men had very close calls.........

I am a very peaceful person. I would never ever hurt anyone unless my life or the life of my family was at risk.
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IMO, a knife is a must in any situation, threatening or not. I like the pepper spray idea, but if I'm downwind, my horse jest might leave w/o me. I carry the spray (and my handgun) when I'm out walking my 5, count 'em FIVE dogs. I don't want to shoot anybody's pooch who might threaten my 3 lil papillons, and I don't want another dog to get close enuf to be killed by my Aussies.

I think the safest way to ride is with a group, or at least a partner who can help. There are those of us who don't have anyone to ride with just yet, so I'll hang on to my Bersa.

On another note, my husband and I had our very first trail ride this past weekend and it was great......until his horse spooked while standing still and my hubby tumbled off his back like a sack of potatoes. Now, see there? Had he been too lame to get back on his horse, I just might've had to put him out of his misery. Jest kidding, folks - I was actually looking for a place for life-flight to land, but he was okay and able to ride back to the trailer.

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post #98 of 101 Old 04-09-2012, 04:24 PM
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I personally would not carry pepper spray, its aerosolized and could to easily end up inflicting me or others, and I really wouldn't put it on my dash board in the summer. A revolver has zero chance of going off accidently, so that is my first choice. A larger knife isn't exaclty handy to carry and the training required to feel confident in using it is - to much effort for most....so back to my first choice. I think concealed weapon laws are ridiculous......criminals are not going to go get one, nor are they not going to carry. Its insane.

I also think situational awareness goes a looong way.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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I always carry a knife, but I don't even think of it as a self-defense weapon. I just carry it in case my horse were to somehow get tangled up in lead ropes, reins, etc. I once tied a horse that went psycho and fell. If I hadn't had a knife, I might not have been able to get her released safely. I cut the rope.

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Oh, shugar - THAT's a BAD situation. Fast thinking on your husband's part. We don't have kids, but at the time all of this crap happened, I was just becoming an adult. The 1992 incident really was the worst because it was a culmination of 4 yrs of stalking. Scary as hell, but if you think about 'what if?', you'll manage to get yourself out of a lot of scary situations.

You take care, okay?

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