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post #31 of 36 Old 09-06-2013, 11:35 AM
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Darrin, taking cows as an example. There is one thing that I have experienced personally that always "got me". Cattle are not thought of as the world's brightest. I have had to try and locate, with help (other riders), very young calves during round-ups in vast areas of desert. They will often hide their babies. No trees. Hills to ride to in order to get a "hill tip" perspective. The areas were where they "had" to be. Hours and hours of searching often led to nothing. In two separate instances, the momma cow was cut out from where the heard was settled, hauled back, and she found it instantly where we had been searching. Hello? It is the dumbest animal??? That level of "hiding" something takes thought way beyond "instinct" or "motor response". Like you said, their thought process is oriented toward "other things", not "non-existent". However, these instances are ignored or "explained away" by the world's self proclaimed "most intelligent" animal. I sincerely doubt there are many humans that could hide an object the size of new calf w little notice that I couldn't find, with help, in the same areas.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.

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Darrin, taking cows as an example. There is one thing that I have experienced personally that always "got me". Cattle are not thought of as the world's brightest. I have had to try and locate, with help (other riders), very young calves during round-ups in vast areas of desert. No trees. Hills to ride to in order to get a "hill tip" perspective. The areas were where they "had" to be. Hours and hours of searching often led to nothing. In two separate instances, the momma cow was cut out from where the heard was settled, hauled back, and she found it instantly where we had been searching. Hello? It is the dumbest animal??? That level of "hiding" something takes thought way beyond "instinct" or "motor response". Like you said, their thought process is oriented toward "other things", not "non-existent". However, these instances are ignored or "explained away" by the world's self proclaimed "most intelligent" animal. I sincerely doubt there are many humans that could hide an object the size of new calf w little notice that I couldn't find, with help, in the same areas.
I've seen cows touch the electric fence with their whiskers to test if the fence is on or not. How did they figure that out? Thought it out of course. There's all kinds of examples like this that people who spend a lot of time with animals know and scientist sitting in their university don't. Practical knowledge vs. theoretical.
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Too right. We don't give animals 1/10 the respect they deserve when it comes to intelligence.

Have you guys watched "An Apology to Elephants"? If you're a softy don't because I bawled through the whole thing.
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It always made me wonder what intelligence Pavlov had when it came to realising that if he rang a bell before feeding dogs they were quick to learn the bell ringing made it feed time.
My dogs know when I am going to feed them just because I pick up a certain knife which is often not in the same place.

An experiment using a computer screen and a large mouse, tested dogs, chips and pigs. They had to move the cursor from a black area of screen onto the white to get a food reward. The pigs soon caught onto what was wanted no matter where they had to get the cursor. If it didn't work then they were watching the screen and moving the cursor until it did work, second time they went straight to the right area. Chimps were a lot slower and dogs useless!

Majority of animals show logical reasoning - except for sheep! If horses or cattle escape from their field you can bet that they will make for the garden that is immaculately kept and have a party. Sheep, if they escape make straight back to their home!
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Too right. We don't give animals 1/10 the respect they deserve when it comes to intelligence.

Have you guys watched "An Apology to Elephants"? If you're a softy don't because I bawled through the whole thing.
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I haven't watched it, I don't know if I could prepare myself. The treatment of those fellow creatures and others w unquestionable human intelligence has long made me want to apologize for being a member of human species - and divorce it all together. I have little to no problem with classifying humans on a basis other than their genetic make-up. I will stop there.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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