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        07-07-2012, 12:33 PM
      #11
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    Not condescending at all - I would make the same post regardless of who I was replying to. The post I quoted intimated that National Geographic was a credible, non-biased organization.
    We obviously read things differently. Allison's post didn't intimate that to me at all. Just that maybe their article might give pause.

    That is not true...they are credible, but they are also biased. Whether the statement was made by a conservative or liberal is irrelevant. If you don't believe me, ask the OP, who is a conservative with whom I agree most of the time, but with whom I have also disagreed with on occasion.

    As to the second part, I am not sure what you are pointing out. I have been an environmentalist all my life, but make a distinction between being a rational environmentalist and being a wacko irrational one. There is a major difference between the two...one is science based and the other is irrational emotion based, and I would not want to be grouped with the latter. If you have a problem with that, so be it...there is nothing wrong or codescending about saying thanks for posting the alert, I am interested in such things, and will check it out...
    My comment is in bold above.

    Your opinion of NG is fine with me. Everyone has a right to their own opinions.

    You wrote: “I don't follow treehugger news very much, but need to look into this, as I certainly would oppose the operations if the environmental impact were as negative as presented. I'm not a "save the whales" wacko, but am a concerned rational environmentalist…”

    This is the what I was referring to in my comment about the second part.
    My bad I guess.
    Overall, the need to label people, things, or organizations overtly draws attention to that fact, and reads condescending sometimes to those of us who don‘t feel the need to use labels.
    Most of us are aware of what the labels mean and you can rest assured, you would never be mistaken for an emotional irrational environmentalist.

    I wasn’t commenting about your saying thanks for the info, nor did I mean to imply that it was wrong or condescending to say thanks for the info. I’m a tad bit smarter than that.
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        07-07-2012, 01:12 PM
      #12
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    Well, the enhanced sonar has been shown to cause problems with cetaceans. While I wouldn't expect you to put much credibility in a "green" organization, maybe National Geographic may give you pause....

    U.S. Navy Sonar May Harm Killer Whales, Expert Says

    As a scuba diver and a person greatly concerned with marine environments, I am very concerned with this issue.
    I find this comment extremely offensive and an unwarrented, uncalled for personal attack - which is clearly something a moderator can do w impunity if their integrity allows. I do a lot of work on environmental issues b/c it is extremely important to me. I don't just mindlessly wave a sign to ease my conscience. I don't take a single article's word for anything - useful idiots are toxic to the environment. Finding, reading, and researching available scientific studies and data and applicable regulation for any given activity that might adversely affect the environment takes a bit more effort and brain power than I expect you would be willing or able to do...free of charge.
         
        07-07-2012, 02:00 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I'm of the opinion we're all concerned about the environment. My problem is the same as faceman's. There just so much spin put on it.

    I to find NG as having a left leaning tilt.
         
        07-07-2012, 02:16 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gunslinger    
    I'm of the opinion we're all concerned about the environment. My problem is the same as faceman's. There just so much spin put on it.

    I to find NG as having a left leaning tilt.
    This, unfortunately for the environement, seems to be true of a lot of organizations. I was a member of the WWF for years and years, always donated, etc.,. It was once an outstanding organization, imo. I was proud to be a member. Then, I don't know what happened, but it left its "neutral territory" and took on a "political slant". Their entire existance was originally heavily based on being completely neutral on political matters. I suspect, in part, it was their success that "got to them".

    As far as NG goes, imo, they pander to the same sort of people that take articles in Reader's Digest as the gospel. Most people do not look up and investigate the statements they represent as fact - much less question them.
         
        07-07-2012, 03:03 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    Well, the enhanced sonar has been shown to cause problems with cetaceans. While I wouldn't expect you to put much credibility in a "green" organization, maybe National Geographic may give you pause....

    U.S. Navy Sonar May Harm Killer Whales, Expert Says

    As a scuba diver and a person greatly concerned with marine environments, I am very concerned with this issue.
    That article is dated March 31, 2004…

    Here's another article and info on the "protest"...

    Navy Admits Whales and Dolphins in Harm's Way : Discovery News

    "NRDC is not arguing that the Navy should not be able to deploy active sonar; it is, however, urging the identification of areas of high cetacean density where its use should be prohibited or severely curtailed. Some, however, are going further; MoveOn member Lyndia Storey has started an online petition to end the testing, which at the time of this writing had secured over 230,000 signatures and climbing.*"


    And here is Lyndia's blog spot

    MoveOn.Org Info

    Personally, I don't trust anything written by anyone from MoveOn because of extreme bias. But that's just me...
         
        07-07-2012, 04:08 PM
      #16
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lockwood    
    My comment is in bold above.

    Your opinion of NG is fine with me. Everyone has a right to their own opinions.

    You wrote: “I don't follow treehugger news very much, but need to look into this, as I certainly would oppose the operations if the environmental impact were as negative as presented. I'm not a "save the whales" wacko, but am a concerned rational environmentalist…”

    This is the what I was referring to in my comment about the second part.
    My bad I guess.
    Overall, the need to label people, things, or organizations overtly draws attention to that fact, and reads condescending sometimes to those of us who don‘t feel the need to use labels.
    Most of us are aware of what the labels mean and you can rest assured, you would never be mistaken for an emotional irrational environmentalist.

    I wasn’t commenting about your saying thanks for the info, nor did I mean to imply that it was wrong or condescending to say thanks for the info. I’m a tad bit smarter than that.
    Not your bad at all. I don't pretend to be able to word things perfectly so that everyone understands my message. The main thing I was trying to get across was NG is no more unbiased than anyone else, and they can fully be expected to fall to the left of center on environmental issues - and every other issue for that matter...
         
        07-07-2012, 04:13 PM
      #17
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Horse Poor    
    Personally, I don't trust anything written by anyone from MoveOn because of extreme bias. But that's just me...
    No, it's not just you. They are what they are - a radical left wing group...
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        07-07-2012, 05:47 PM
      #18
    Showing
    Good catch, Horse Poor.. I completely didn't think about checking the date :/

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Breella    
    It's a SCAM. My MIL sent me a link about it from one of the petition sites and I've had about three more emails autogenerated about my "immediate need to sign this petition now!"

    It's a pishing scam.
    That's the vibe I was getting.

    I find it so troublesome to evaluate what can be taken seriously and what is just another way to gather information
         
        07-07-2012, 07:08 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Well, I am waiting for clarification on forum rules concerning uncivil personal attacks with emphasis on “unprovoked”, Alison. Is it just you, or are all moderators “allowed” this “privilege”? On what basis, exactly, can you, or all moderators, discriminate? Is it gender, color, race, perceived political affiliation or religion? What?
         
        07-07-2012, 08:03 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Breella    
    It's a SCAM. My MIL sent me a link about it from one of the petition sites and I've had about three more emails autogenerated about my "immediate need to sign this petition now!"

    It's a pishing scam.
    IF this is a scam for real then we need to put in bold Black letter saying this is a scam above the OP link. So we protect some of the mirrors here.
         

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