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        07-01-2011, 01:26 PM
      #1
    Green Broke
    i need help with dog training.

    So we got a new ppuppy claire, and then we got some chickens, we let our 6 chickens free roam, since our GSD never harms them and thinks of them as babies, we figured claire (the puppy) would follow in her steps and treat them the same, but that's not the case, she has killed 2 chickens so far, and mom beat her sad I know but it's over with and was not my choice of discipline. Well she has done excellent for the last month or 2 about chasing the chickens, well yesterday she got after them again and got our rooster, luckily he played dead and she left him alone and started chasing the others, none were severely harmed. Mom got after claire again and said we are getting rid of her, my stepdad talked to her today and convinced her to give me a week to train her and fix this problem and I need help figuring out how, the only suggestion I have so far is a shock collar, and i'm not sure how humane those are, I really want to keep her she's a great horse dog but if we do get rid of her we wont be getting another dog, as mom doesn't want to have to deal with another puppy for awhile, so help? Advice? Suggestions? Anything.
         
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        07-01-2011, 01:41 PM
      #2
    Weanling
    Shock collars, if used properly are fine. They really understand the concept so you don't have to use them to much. If you get a remote training shock collar then they generally have a button that makes a noise first, then the other button shocks them.

    If you tell the dog to stop whatever it is doing, followed by the noise, followed by the shock, then they will soon realize it is better to just listen to you instead of getting shocked.

    The only problem with this is you have to be supper vigilant about making sure you do the same process every time and don't miss any time. If you miss a time then the dog can figure out that you have to be present for the reprimand to come so they may do the behavior you are trying to fix when you aren't there.

    Good luck and hope everything works out for you.
         
        07-01-2011, 01:49 PM
      #3
    Green Broke
    The only bad thing about that is she doesn't bother them alot when we are out there, it's just the off chances she is let out unsupervised, but I am definitely taking this into consideration.

    Another thing I was told is to tie the dead carcass to her neck and leave her out in a kennel for 5-7 days or until the chicken rots, and no have any contact with her except to feed and water her, this method supposedly works, but where am I going to get a dead chicken? And what if it does work? Then i'm back to square one with a stinky dog, because dogs can be pretty nasty and they like to eat dead and rotting things as well as roll in it.. so wouldn't she just enjoy this method more then just learn from it? But again it supposedly has really good outcomes.. so who knows!
         
        07-01-2011, 02:38 PM
      #4
    Weanling
    I've never heard of doing that so can't really speculate on that. I can't see why it would work tho, I don't understand what the thought behind it would be. Its hard to see how the dog would react to it
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        07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
      #5
    Weanling
    The dead chicken method worked on a friends dog , I'd give it a go although make sure your pup has all its vaccinations first incase it catches something
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        07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    I heard it only worked if it was the chicken she killed, and she hasn't killed one in months, so would a chicken she hasn't killed worked? I know a friend who has one that occasionally upturns with dead chickens so I could possibly use one of his. I too don't fully understand how the method would work but it's been proven to work.
         
        07-01-2011, 04:15 PM
      #7
    Doe
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by lilkitty90    
    i heard it only worked if it was the chicken she killed, and she hasn't killed one in months, so would a chicken she hasn't killed worked? I know a friend who has one that occasionally upturns with dead chickens so I could possibly use one of his. I too don't fully understand how the method would work but it's been proven to work.
    Proven to work by whom exactly?

    Whoever it is shouldn't be allowed near animals, children or frankly even themselves. Lol

    I can guess where the idea developed from and it's about as rational and intelligent as shooting yourself in the foot so you can get a verruca.......

    Shocking, absolutely shocking.

    Anyway your dog.

    There's a really simple, way to stop this. Unfortunately however if the chicken trick is the best talent you can find locally to help you then it might be a case of accepting your dog has to go. I know its not what you want, but sometimes circumstances just don't allow.

    Anyway I do hope you can sort it out and any help I can offer I will. If I can find some suicidal chickens (I might manage geese and ducks easy enough but not so many chickens round here) and a frenzied terrier, then I'll even video it for you.

    In terms of the solution...... You have to override his natural instincts before they red zone. How? Give him a job. What job? His job...... Is to guard the chickens!

    Crazy? Not at all. You are tapping into parts of his psychi that are actually the most powerful.

    (I Can just imagine some people reactions reading this right now lol)

    Let me give you an example. I came to horses from dogs. One dog I worked with was going to be destroyed because he would savage local farmers sheep and calves. The dog? A Rottweiler.

    The court ( yes it was a destruction case) stated that I had to demonstrate his rehabilitation and use in order to allow him to be released to a new home.

    This dog was the product of a guard dog mentality. Actually owned to guard tractors and other machinery. I took him to a disabled farmer in Wales I knew and asked to use him with his flock of sheep. (this farmer has no use of his legs so he relies on a quad bike to get around)

    Rottweilers ARE sheepdogs believe it or not. With the right guidance, within minutes he was focussed and a different animal. So much so that he asked to keep him. He has since written his own reflection on this (including for the court) that he has found the best sheepdog he has ever owned, and without any training.

    There's your solution.
         
        07-01-2011, 05:49 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lilkitty90    
    i heard it only worked if it was the chicken she killed, and she hasn't killed one in months, so would a chicken she hasn't killed worked? I know a friend who has one that occasionally upturns with dead chickens so I could possibly use one of his. I too don't fully understand how the method would work but it's been proven to work.
    It would have to be a chicken she has killed because a chicken she hasnt would have no relevance to her. If she killed another one tie it to her neck straight away until it starts to rot and she definitely will not go near them again because she wont want something rotting tied back onto her.
    I would try training first though.
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        07-01-2011, 06:35 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    I mean, if she kills a chicken do it. Whether it sounds 'inhumane', or it sounds 'horrible and irresponsible' - do it. I have a feeling it will work. Farmers around here to get rid of coyotes, they kill one from the pack and hang it til it rots. It keeps the pack away.
         
        07-01-2011, 08:22 PM
      #10
    Doe
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
    I mean, if she kills a chicken do it. Whether it sounds 'inhumane', or it sounds 'horrible and irresponsible' - do it. I have a feeling it will work. Farmers around here to get rid of coyotes, they kill one from the pack and hang it til it rots. It keeps the pack away.
    In that case you would need to kill a local dog and hang it over the chicken pen.................
         

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