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post #41 of 51 Old 07-03-2011, 07:26 PM
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In that case you would need to kill a local dog and hang it over the chicken pen.................

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post #42 of 51 Old 07-04-2011, 12:57 AM
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Thanks Coffee and Indy, I was hoping that explaining your experience levels would help the OP to hear what you were saying.
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post #43 of 51 Old 07-04-2011, 08:48 AM Thread Starter
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well first off Dell is gorgeous! i love GSP's

Indy it's not that i can't afford it exactly it's my mom has it in her mind that we can't so therefore she wont pay for that because we should be able to do it ourselves, i would take it upon myself to spend the money, but since i don't have a job, my money is essentially their money, as well as if it was my money to spend and even if it's not i'd still spend it anyway, i don't have a license to go find a trainer or to take my dog up for a lesson, and mom sure wont take me because she's a busy woman and barely has time to do what she needs most of the time, but for now she's on a leash and we are teaching what we can, but in a few months i get my license and i should be able to go track one down, just have to buy myself some time with the rents by teaching her myself for now. though it wont be 100%, and definitely not fool proof, but she doensn't go outside without me now, my mom actually made me pretty mad lastnight by taking the dog out without a leash, i swear she's setting her up to fail, though she was watching claire, what is she going to do when claire takes off after the chickens? blindly chase her through the night trying to stop her? nooooo of course not. so i had to grab a leash and go hook her up and take her for walk and let her go to the bathroom.

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post #44 of 51 Old 07-05-2011, 04:07 AM
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I have only read your OP!

From my view this is human error, You bring a puppy into a home with chickens, remember dogs have natural traits, puppy 'plays/hurts/kills' chicken and then human punishes it, Puppy does NOT understand WHY! It comes naturally!

I am a strong believer in 'once they get a taste, majority of the time there's no turning back' and if it was a farmers puppy that done that, I could see that puppy and a bullet meeting! - as sad and horrible as that seems!
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post #45 of 51 Old 07-05-2011, 06:20 AM
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This thread on a horse forum is all about a dog.
The OP's questions have been pretty much answered by all the contributors. Put very crudely, the dog is not fit for purpose - not because the dog is bad but because the needs of the household to which the dog belongs conflict with the innate instincts of the dog.

When I look down at my little 16yo terrier bitch, I can see the head of a Jack Russel and the body of a collie. She has all the instincts of a killer - which indeed is what she is. Yesterday she was trying to flip out a plump, juicy but very dead fish from the pond in the garden. She would have eaten it, if she could have reached it through the anti-heron netting.

Ten years ago I rescued her from a home in a hotel for which she was grossly unsuitable. She's now coming to the end of her life on this planet - she's bent, crooked, stiff, lumpy, deaf, part blind and very slow. However, somehow despite her very obvious frailties she can still boss the Rottweiler about; she can bark to tell me of visitors and she will follow me where ever I go. Her role in my life is that of companion, a task which she takes very seriously even if she is very old - say the equivalent of 112 years in human terms. When we go for our evening stroll around the village - I have to put one foot in front of the other and watch to see if she has kept up. The route is getting shorter and shorter.

All those years ago when I took on responsibility for her, I asked myself whether her killer instincts would present a problem. I knew that I wouldn't be able to keep chickens, gerbils, rabbits, pidgeons or even another terrier bitch. Nor could I leave her chained up to an outdoor kennel and neither could I go away to a fancy hotel and leave her alone to yap in the bedroom.

But when in the not too distant future she goes to sleep and doesn't wake up, I am going to cry. Just what am I going to do with the 'lefties' off my plate?

What's the connection with horses? Well, many of the problems we face with them are a result of choosing the wrong horse in the first place.
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post #46 of 51 Old 07-05-2011, 07:38 AM
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sorry if you have already answered this but how old is the puppy and what commands does she know ?

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post #47 of 51 Old 07-05-2011, 11:40 AM Thread Starter
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well she was here first, the chickens came AFTER. when we didn't need them... trust me on that one.. the puppy is around 8 months but we don't know for sure, as she was just given to us. right now she knows Sit, 100% she's learning Stay and leave it, and she did have a good recall, but she fell back so we are reworking on that as well.

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post #48 of 51 Old 07-11-2011, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
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i just wanted to update that she is doing great so far with this method of training, and she hasn't bothered the chickens yet, though she has been on a leash. i have walked her by them and stuff, and we havel et her out twice without a leash, but me walking with her. so far we have good progress.

i do also want to update, that Claire got fixed te other day so yay! that means we are keeping her. but because of this, she got sick and had really bad controlling her poo, and she was throwing up alot, and we asked the vet and they just said it was because we didn't wait long enough to feed her again, so we pulled food away for that whole day, but because she poo'd in the house and didn't get reprimanded for it because she really couldn't help herself, she has taken to going to the bathroom in the house AGAIN so we are redoing that training.. again. lol

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post #49 of 51 Old 07-18-2011, 11:07 AM Thread Starter
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the killer, as i am now calling her has struck again, she doesn't bother the chickens anymore and doesn't even really flick an ear at them. but my sister got a guinea pig... Twix was in her cage in my room and the cage was under a blanket, to keep her away from drafts.

we went to a friends house and when we came back, my bedroom door was open, the blanket was drug all the way down the hall way and the cage was mutilated. twix is nowhere to be found just some bits of hair in some places, there is NO blood, and nothing to say she may be dead, but we've searched everywhere and can't find her. claire must've gotten a wild hair up her button to even try to get in my room to destroy the cage, she didn't bother the guinea pig at all when we had her out, aside from sniffing it really, but i think the best bet may be to find a new home for her. i really don't want to, but i don't really have much of a choice, she has become a bit of an avid killer, and i know it's high prey drive, but still. first it was 3 baby possums, and then 2 chickens, and now the guinea pig. i really don't want to chance her eating a cat next, she doesn't bother the cats, but she also didn't bother the guinea pig and ate it anyway, so i'm afraid she'll hurt a cat next or something.

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post #50 of 51 Old 07-18-2011, 11:39 AM
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What she has done is not unusual or even surprising for a high drive herding dog (particularly one of predominately aussie decent) when put in a situation and home that is unsuitable and totally unprepared to provide for the dog's needs. I'm sorry it came to this, and I am sorry about Twix.

Please don't just stick her on craigslist or dump her at hsus. Make an effort on her part, even if you wouldn't contact a trainer for her yourself, do it for her now, perhaps the trainer will know a good home to place her in, or a rescue that is experienced in working with high drive dogs. And for yourself, in the future, don't get a dog without researching the breed backgrounds first.

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