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post #1 of 45 Old 09-03-2013, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
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I need to SLEEP, any advice?

Now HELP....medical types, this is no longer funny. The last full night of sleep I had was June 30th, the day before my accident, the best since, well I had one night in hospital where I managed with only waking up once. Since I've been home I just can't sleep and it is now seriously getting to me.

To start with it was because of pain, lots of pain, but that is mainly gone, now it is a combination of things. I lie down on my left, undamaged side, and I get dizzy straight away, it only lasts a few seconds, very unpleasant, then it's gone, I lie for a while, then end up flipping onto my right, my favored side, and after a couple of minutes my shoulder hurts, so I have to move and I get dizzy again. Grrrr

I have been sleeping on the couch for the last month while the family were visiting, that meant physically moving from one end to the other of the couch rather than turning over, while trying to get comfortable. The last 2 nights I've moved back into a bed, Sunday night wasn't good, and last night was simply awful, just couldn't get comfortable and settle, ended up back down on the couch.

I saw the Doc a couple of weeks back, he said the dizzy way would go away, wish it would, and that I should take OTC pills for the pain, fine during the day, but not so good at night. He also gave me sleeping pills, but they aren't doing anything worth a darn as far as I can see, I don't take them every night, don't want to become dependant, but hey last night was a pill night, and it was the worst yet!

Now what? Wait, see another Doc, go back to mine, HELP, anyone got any bright ideas, words of wisdom or anything?
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Melatonin.... you can buy any mg at walmart even in strawberry flavored dissolvable!
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What about taking a Dramamine? It'll make you tired and should help the dizziness some. I get dizziness and nausea with my migraines and use Benadryl or Dramamine to great effect, although Benadryl actually helps alleviate the migraine some. That's the only OTC med I can think of. Do you think you could sleep slightly propped up? If your symptoms don't go away soon I think it would be worth talking with your doc again. I do know that there are better meds for nausea and dizziness out there, but I think Dr.'s can be hesitant to prescribe them.

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post #4 of 45 Old 09-03-2013, 02:50 PM
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I would try every single homeopathic (commonly used) remedy possible. There are reasons why dairy products before bed really do induce sleepiness.
Develop other habits to help. Avoid drinking large amounts of any fluid 2 hours before retiring. When we did our 26 years of CW Events, I like to get up to pee before the camp, so I drank a full canteen of water before I went to bed and that got me up about 4:30 AM. This will happen to you, too.
Use the meds when you need to. Try some alcohol without also the meds before bed, like one glass of wine. My DH has discovered that lemonade and vodka work better than a sleeping pill bc the alcohol is out of the body in the morning, whereas sleeping pills keep you groggy the next day. There is even a study and suggestion that these products be more heavily monitored than they currently are.
I would also be as physically active as possible and wear yourself out, even if you need a pain pill before bed bc of it. At some point your body will want to give you a long, restful sleep, but sedantary habits don't ever produce this. Sorry, you didn't write about your current physical activity, so I don't know.
Also, if you don't already do this, make your breakfast or lunch the biggest meal of the day, and make dinner scanty, but full of vegetables, low on protein. Protein helps you stay awake.
Hope these suggestions are helpful. =D
Also, if something is working, like sleeping on the couch, stick with it.

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Oh you poor thing. Have you had sleeping problems in the past? It would be useful to recall methods that may have helped you years ago.

When I go through stages of interrupted sleep, I put in earphones and either listen to the radio, or a podcast, or some kind of white noise or meditation program.

Other rules and suggestions are:

Avoid TV or computer screens half an hour before sleep time.
Drink milky drinks, eat a banana.
No caffeine either tea or coffee after 4:00 in the afternoon.
Try out a yoga class on YouTube - no matter what you can't do because of your injuries, focus on what you can do, and on the state of mind it can put you in.

I hope you find a solution.
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I don't know if this will help or not, but my Mom used to get terrible vertigo. Once, when she went to her massage therapist and was talking about that to him, he mentioned that some people will sort of build up toxins in the muscles and tendons at the base of the skull (not sure if that's true or not) and advised her to firmly massage the knobs at the base of her skull, her upper neck, and the lower part of the back of her head to "break up" whatever was up there and then drink a lot of water to flush it out. She started doing that and hasn't had a bout of vertigo since.

Again, not sure exactly how it works or if it will work for you, but it couldn't hurt to try it.

As for sleeping all night, if you figure something out that actually works, let me know. I've not slept all night in years.
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What are the meds you are currently on GH? I would wonder if htat is part of the problem. I know after my surgery I didn't sleep more than a few hours until I healed up enough to get off the pain meds as they can (and do) disturb your sleep patterns. Is the dizziness related to your inner ear injury?

FWIW, I am a big fan of Melatonin it can help one to fall asleep but IME it doesn't help one to stay asleep if that makes sense.

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post #8 of 45 Old 09-03-2013, 04:36 PM
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You've tried the bed and the couch.

Have you tried anything else? A recliner chair puts you into a different position on your back with your knees bent. That wouldn't put any strain on your side or shoulder.

If you don't have one, you could try imitating it in bed with a lot of pillows propping your shoulders up a bit, and pillows under your knees.
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I know how you feel. When I had my shoulder surgery it was the exact same thing. It was impossible to find a comfortable position to make the pain go away and that sent my sleep patterns right out the window. It took awhile but I got back to where I was.

If you want to conquer this with minimal or no medications, (in addition to what the other posters have suggested) perhaps these might work for you: No naps ever - and those are sorely tempting during the day when you're dog tired; Try to do most of your work early in the day and gradually wind down as the day goes along; A leisurely walk before supper - a stroll really as you're trying to get your body geared down and relaxed rather than reved up and tense (I would suggest yoga as well but you're body is probably not healed enough); Sleep with an open window - fresh, cool air and a warm, cozy blanket are good partners; Either play some music or try an audio book (the public library has a fairly good selection) when you settle down for the night - personally, nothing knocks me out faster than someone reading to me (must be from my childhood days); Diet wise, stay away from spicy foods and eat lots of turkey for suppers (it's apparently high in that tripto thingy chemical which promotes sleep).
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Wow, lots of good ideas..

I have some Melatonin around here somewhere, I'll look it out and check the dates on it, if not, on the shopping list for town.

Dramamine, good idea, Gravol and Brufen works as a sleep aid, and may help the dizzyness as well. Dairy products, good idea, milk and cookies excellent supper!

Exercise, increasing gradually, have been fairly sedentary, that is what is so frustrating, yesterday I think I was more active than I have been so far, and had the worst night, and I had promised myself that it would be the best so far

I have had sleep problems before, but typically it is the overactive mind type of awake, rather than this, where the mind is happily in sleep mode, but the body seems to be arguing.

Pain relief, as per Docs instructions, 400mg of Ibuprofen taken with two Tylenol Extras 3 times a day!

Naps, not as a rule, just a couple of days when I have had to give in and take 30 mins or so.

We don't have a decent recliner, the one we do have I wouldn't of been able to stand up from before, but I may try it now.
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