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        02-04-2013, 01:12 AM
      #21
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    It's actually a lot harder than you would think to immigrate here legally.

    For one, you have to prove that an American couldn't do your job? Well how do you do that? If I were a brain surgeon and American brain surgeon could do my job.

    I am married to an American, but have no desire to become a citizen here as much as I love the country. So I am in the endless tax process of visa's and green cards. And it's darn expensive. I don't have my green card yet, but it will have cost me about $10k by the time I get it.
         
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        02-04-2013, 08:17 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    Let me ask the question again.

    If the federal government ignores laws, then how could they possibly expect the states to comply with any federal law they don't like?

    Or, if the feds can ignore federal laws then why can't the states?

    So, if the feds, and the states, can ignore a law, then why not the citizens as well?

    The rule of law is important to society, enforce the darn laws or change them.
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        02-04-2013, 11:50 AM
      #23
    Trained
    It is very hard to become a citizen of the US. We need to revamp our policies to expedite those that have the educations needed for our countries future.
    Gunslinger the federal government receives billions in taxes from those here without the proper documents.
    To deport the millions of undocumented workers would leave a severe shortage of labour and cost billions to round them up and deport them. Most are lawabiding hard working members of our communities. The economies of Texas and California as well as the other southwestern states would collapse. Shalom
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        02-04-2013, 05:25 PM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    It is very hard to become a citizen of the US. We need to revamp our policies to expedite those that have the educations needed for our countries future.
    Gunslinger the federal government receives billions in taxes from those here without the proper documents.
    To deport the millions of undocumented workers would leave a severe shortage of labour and cost billions to round them up and deport them. Most are lawabiding hard working members of our communities. The economies of Texas and California as well as the other southwestern states would collapse. Shalom
    Stick to the facts, db...illegal aliens cause a net loss of billions of dollars a year more than they contribute. Don't try to make a negative into a positive - in this case it can't be done...illegal aliens are a net loss to this country - not a gain...
         
        02-04-2013, 06:03 PM
      #25
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    the federal government receives billions in taxes from those here without the proper documents.
    DB.... oh DB...

    Don't forget the pandering for votes............

    Also, would you like a list of the Billions and Billions it cost Taxpayers to allow illegals here?

    Not to mention the loss of life of innocent Americans killed by illegals everyday!

    People are breaking the law by coming here illegally.

    They are demeaning the good intent of all the people that came here legally.

    I just cannot understand the justification some have for making an illegal activity into some kind of greatness... arghhhh

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        02-04-2013, 06:38 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    I work in a warehouse where US "natives" are the minority..

    I've met a few very nice people with alien cards..I've also met the majority that won't stop touching me when I tell them to stop, look at me like I'm stupid when I speak to them in ENGLISH, and have no respect at all.

    I have no problem with foreigners coming here..but learn my f'n language!

    Now..this is from my uneducated POV. I just don't have the effort to research everything about it when I won't ever have to make decisions with it.
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        02-04-2013, 07:13 PM
      #27
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    Originally Posted by Iseul    
    I work in a warehouse where US "natives" are the minority..

    I've met a few very nice people with alien cards..I've also met the majority that won't stop touching me when I tell them to stop, look at me like I'm stupid when I speak to them in ENGLISH, and have no respect at all.

    I have no problem with foreigners coming here..but learn my f'n language!

    Now..this is from my uneducated POV. I just don't have the effort to research everything about it when I won't ever have to make decisions with it.
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    In my case I have nothing - absolutely nothing - against those that are here legally. But I have no tolerance whatsoever for illegals. And people can call them "undocumented workers" or any other name they want, but they are exactly what they are - illegal aliens.

    And quite frankly, it turns my stomach that BOTH parties, Republican and Democratic, are caving in to immigration reform just to buy votes - it is disgusting. At least the Republicans want our borders protected first, but the Democrats don't even want that. Illegal aliens are invaders and criminals and should be treated as such.

    Personally, I think almost ALL immigration should be stopped except for marriages and job transfers to the US, and professions in which we have a critical shortage, until we get back on our feet economically. Let's get real here...how stupid is it to allow immigration when we are sitting here with 12.3 million people unemployed? Pretty dang stupid...sort of like having a family of 4 and you only have 3 hamburgers and 2 potatoes to cook, but you invite 6 other people to dinner...duh.

    If we don't crash and burn first, someday we need to start putting the interests of the country above some distorted and unrealistic view of what is politically correct....there have been and will be times when the nation needs immigrants, and there have been and will be times when we don't. Immigration to the US is not some entitlement that every person on Earth is born with...
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        02-04-2013, 08:16 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by SouthernTrailsGA    

    Don't forget the pandering for votes............
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    What votes? Unless you are a citizen, you can't vote.


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    Originally Posted by Faceman    

    Personally, I think almost ALL immigration should be stopped except for marriages and job transfers to the US, and professions in which we have a critical shortage, until we get back on our feet economically. Let's get real here...how stupid is it to allow immigration when we are sitting here with 12.3 million people unemployed? Pretty dang stupid...sort of like having a family of 4 and you only have 3 hamburgers and 2 potatoes to cook, but you invite 6 other people to dinner...duh.
    I can't get people to do my job. Heck I get a $750 bonus for recruiting a foster parent, and I wouldn't mind having that money, so I try. In 5-6 years, I have recruited zero people. I know quite a few American's who are out of work, I know zero who are willing to do something for someone else and get themselves out of a hole. It's a shame. My work is hard, but it pays well because of it.
         
        02-04-2013, 08:24 PM
      #29
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    What votes? Unless you are a citizen, you can't vote...
    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    However, most of the pandering is done because we now believe in tribal voting. Hispanic? Anything that helps some helps all. Want free condoms? Vote as the free condom vote (or pander to women and accuse the other side of hating women). There's the black vote, the asian vote, the chinese vote, the white vote...doesn't seem like folks discuss ISSUES anymore.

    I think that is because the stupid people find it easier to vote "woman", "black", "white", whatever - and not think. And that is something that has always been with us - the Irish vote, the Italian vote, etc. A horrible side effect of democracy is that stupid people get to vote, and to vote on whatever basis their stupidity encourages them to use.

    Pity I can't be King of the World (that is a GS-100 position) and rule everything...
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        02-04-2013, 09:25 PM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    ..I know quite a few American's who are out of work, I know zero who are willing to do something for someone else and get themselves out of a hole. It's a shame. My work is hard, but it pays well because of it.
    And while there are many unemployed that would not qualify, there obviously are many that would...makes one shake one's head. As I say all the time, there are jobs out there and people drawing unemployment, and we keep on extending and extending and extending unemployment payments...makes no sense...none...zippo. The longer this goes on, the more disgusted I get...I am about to the point where I am willing to let people that refuse to work just starve. Not working because you can't find work is one thing...not working because a job is "beneath" you, or you don't like the job, or it doesn't pay what you want to make, or you don't want to work outside, or you don't want to wear a tie, or any of hundreds of excuses, is quite another...
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