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        02-07-2013, 03:45 PM
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    ^^ FM, I agree. However it depends on what you mean by "benefits". For example to get COBRA or unemployment you have to work for the company that provides you with insurance and pay those unemployment taxes (or whatever it's called). And frankly COBRA costs SO MUCH that it's much cheaper to buy an individual insurance (here I'm speaking from own experience as well as experience of my relatives).

    BTW, I always thought Medicaid and Unemployment are state-based, not federal. Am I wrong?
         
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        02-07-2013, 05:34 PM
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    BTW, I always thought Medicaid and Unemployment are state-based, not federal. Am I wrong?
    No, you are not totally wrong - they are state based, but federally subsidized. I've seen a lot of people on here (and elsewhere) make the mistake of saying, pertaining to unemployment, "well, we paid for it"...while it is true we pay FUTA out of our paychecks, that pays only part of unemployment benefits.

    Here is a link to the Department of Labor Budget. Scroll down to the Unemployment Insurance, and look at the budget (in thousands), which starts with a summary and then the individual line items. The feds have over $4 billion going into the program that does not come from FUTA contributions...

    U.S. Department of Labor - Fiscal Year 2013 Budget in Brief
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        02-07-2013, 11:37 PM
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    And who would that be? I don't recall seeing anyone post about not allowing legal immigrants - when needed.

    And where we came from is irrelevant. This is 2013. Every person on the planet is descended from people from somewhere else...
    Page four of this thread regarding legal immigrants.

    And, actually, yes, it is relevant. But we're all entitled to our opinions.
         
        02-08-2013, 12:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    I don't think you can get any benefits legally (at least federal ones) till you become a citizen (which takes several years). And from what I know you have to work for at least 10 years to get SS and medicare. I think you can still get medicare if you are disabled, but I never dealt with it, so not sure really.
    We are Green card (legal permanent residents) and we pay the same tax and payments to Social Security/Medicaid (think those are the right terms) as US Citizens do so we would be able to claim benefits if we had to - though we would be more likely to go back to the UK.
    We are now in our 6th year here and can apply for dual citizenship if we want too - takes 5 years to be able to do that.
    We still have our UK private pensions plus the US 401K and will have UK state pensions if we were still here when retirement became an issue - I think maybe these remove rights to claim state UK pension - not sure how that works
         
        02-08-2013, 08:57 PM
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    We still have our UK private pensions plus the US 401K and will have UK state pensions if we were still here when retirement became an issue - I think maybe these remove rights to claim state UK pension - not sure how that works
    Would be interesting to know. I know people from some other countries, and they receive the pension here as well as in the country of origin. You just have to prove every year that you are still alive (or something like that).
         
        02-08-2013, 09:41 PM
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    Immigration now differs from immigration back "then." People brought their heritage but became "Americans." It seems very sectional now. People do not want to become Americans....they just want. My family came from Germany and worked hard to become "Americans." They were proud of their heritage and never forgot where they came from but were also very proud to be an American. I hear from my elders how ungrateful people are who come to this country. Too many takers...
         
        02-09-2013, 11:54 AM
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Would be interesting to know. I know people from some other countries, and they receive the pension here as well as in the country of origin. You just have to prove every year that you are still alive (or something like that).
    Haha...I recently started receiving a small pension this year from a company I worked for back in the 80's. In the paperwork it specified that periodically I would have to prove I was still alive. It didn't say how, and I am interested in seeing what I have to do next year to prove my existance...I've never had to do that before...
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        02-09-2013, 12:53 PM
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Would be interesting to know. I know people from some other countries, and they receive the pension here as well as in the country of origin. You just have to prove every year that you are still alive (or something like that).
    I've looked into the UK pension side of things and it seems that as its not 'means tested' - your right as earned then you get it wherever you live but I'm now thinking it would affect the US equivalant of a state pension as is that only awarded per need - if you have other income would you still qualify for it? Off subject I know.
    The person who posted the change in attitude of immigrants/citizens then and now makes me think of darrens post about the company bringing in foreign workers because 'americans' refuse to do the work. I'm not saying that employees should be abused but in the past people were glad to do any job they could find to feed their families - that has all changed
    I wonder how some of these would cope with being a working farmer though - I can remember my DH getting up at 4am to start the first milking, slogging it out all day and finishing the last milking of the day at 10pm!!!
         
        02-09-2013, 02:17 PM
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    Faceman just have Allison testify that only a living breathing person can be such a pain in the A$#. That ought to be proof enough. Shalom
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        02-09-2013, 02:40 PM
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    ^^ We can have an affidavit filled out here on HF, quoting recent posts...
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