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  • Should inmates be treated with low standards
  • Do prisoners suffer enough

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    05-12-2012, 05:00 PM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
I think prisoners should be required to perform work to generate enough revenue so that prisons are financially self funding and cost the taxpayer nothing. If they can generate enough revenue to provide TV's, cable, or other activity costs, I wouldn't care one way or another what they did in their non working time. But the way it is now, prison is hardly even a deterrent any more...
In Nevada you can actually hire prison crews to do work like build fence, clean up scrap and clear brush. I forgot what the rate is but they bring some prisoners( not murders or rapists, but in for DUIs, small time stuff) in a van, some guards, tools and a lunch wagon.
I think its a great idea.
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    05-12-2012, 05:05 PM
  #12
Green Broke
I also like Sherrif Joe. He may be arrogant, but I don't believe prisoners should be treated better than people on the outside following laws. One of my good friends worked for a Sherrifs department in OR at the jail. Inmates told her on many occasions if they needed health care they would commit a crime or violate probation so they could go to jail. They could get their teeth fixed and go to the doctor at tax payers expense.
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    05-12-2012, 05:36 PM
  #13
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Inmates told her on many occasions if they needed health care they would commit a crime or violate probation so they could go to jail. They could get their teeth fixed and go to the doctor at tax payers expense.
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I have run into that same thing many times

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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
WTG our prison system is not about an eye for an eye or tooth for a tooth.
If someone is harmed you cannot repay them by suffering .
Our system should be based on punishment not revenge.
Never said eye for an eye, remember I said no ball and chains or flogging...lol....

Years ago prisoners broke rocks with a sledge hammer and most were not so anxious to get back in ... just saying

Maybe if there was more punishment and less Pay per View TV as stated by the OP... then maybe some would think twice before breaking the law.

I am not saying prison is a pleasant place, and I do know people who have been there, but those same ones seem to keep going back by committing crimes, has to make you wonder............


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    05-12-2012, 06:16 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Treating his inmates like sub humans only inflates Sherriff Joes ego. It only re enforces the low self image most inmates have of themselves.
When we no longer re habiltate inmates we make the problem worse.

I would not want them to eat sub standard food or sleep in tents.
I want them to reenter soceity and never again commit such violence against anyone.
I am certain that their time in the Texas prison system is no cakewalk. Shalom
Sub humans? Really?
Sleeping in tents?
Sub-standard food?
Even in tent city, they STILL have it better than our MILITARY serving in Afghanistan!
While I do respect your opinion DBArabians, and it's clear we're going to agree to disagree here, I do urge you to ponder a couple things.
Prisoners are required to receive 3 meals a day that meet USDA guidelines for basic nutrition.
They are required to have water, and a place to sleep.
Our military boys and girls often don't have that much comfort.
Sleeping a couple hours in a shallow hole in the middle of a rock strewn landscape, maybe an MRE and a canteen of bath temp water, and the threat of death all around them is what our troops on the front lines have to look forward to.
So, respectfully, I really can't justify even remotely how to concede more comfort to criminals than we can to our troopers.
I flat can't.
Joe's inmates may be treated poorly by some standards, but at what point do we say enough is enough?
They have food, water, and shelter.
They have tv.
Send them to school, or put them to work to repay the tab to society that it costs to incarcerate them!
The current system churns out better criminals!
Rehabilitation is a choice of the person being rehabilitated. They have to want to be rehabbed.
It cannot be compelled, or forced upon anyone.
It must be a conscious choice on their part.
Most could care less about rehabilitation.
Many whine about not getting some sort of a handout, crying woe is me!
Part of the rehab process should include:
1) life isn't fair. Deal with it.
2) america promises life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. The degree of which is totally up to you, and how much you want it.
3) everyone makes mistakes. Wise people learn from them. Stupid ones repeat the same mistakes over and over. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result is the textbook definition of insanity.
4) the government doesn't owe you a darn thing. Neither does society.
5) the golden rule still applies. So does murphys law, newton's law, and the laws of physics.
6) if you want nice things, get a job and earn them.
7) you're in jail because of choices that YOU made. Own it, accept it, and move forward.
8) if you want "another chance", after you did the same thing 3 times, and got caught, hmmmmm......NO.
9) free rides are in the movies. Movies are fantasy land.
10) if you want respect, show others that same level of respect. You'd be amazed at the results you get.


So, no, the prisoners of tent city are (in my opinion) treated fairly.
They get fed, they have places to sleep, they have plenty of water to drink, and shelter from the sun.
If they don't like the accomodations, they are welcome to straighten themselves out, and never return.
Again- increase the pain level of the deterring factors, and it will alter the way people think. And that is the first step to them being a positive contributor to society.
     
    05-12-2012, 07:18 PM
  #15
Trained
Aswanapaint, If I messed up your name I'm sorry.
The first step to keeping inmates from reoffending is to treat the underlying issues that caused them to commit a crime.
As a Mental Health Professional I believe inmates should be given the opprotunity to learn skills, get counseling, and an education to prepare them for life on the outside.
A lot of those inmates come from homes with abusive and/or neglectful parents. Some of them didn't have a chance to begin with.
I have counseled many former inmates and curently have a few now.
Yes our system is a joke, but to imply inmates have it easy and do not suffer enough is not true.
What we must understand is that most of the inmates will get out and they will not be prepared.
Would you hire one?
Military personnel scarifice their comforts willingly. Do they serve in harsh conditions? Yes, but, not for 3-5 years at a time.
Shalom
     
    05-12-2012, 08:24 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
The first step to keeping inmates from re-offending is to treat the underlying issues that caused them to commit a crime.
The people I know have told me point blank, it is easier to steal or sell drugs than it is to work, in a few hours they can make what a person with a job makes in a month.

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As a Mental Health Professional I believe inmates should be given the opprotunity to learn skills, get counseling, and an education to prepare them for life on the outside.
Nothing wrong with that, for those that want to learn, you cannot force it though.

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A lot of those inmates come from homes with abusive and/or neglectful parents. Some of them didn't have a chance to begin with.
oh, same old broken home scenario, please you detract from the 10's of thousands who did not use that excuse and rose above the age old excuse

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I have counseled many former inmates and currently have a few now.
Yes our system is a joke, but to imply inmates have it easy and do not suffer enough is not true.
and what about the victims, that are scared for life, dead, crippled for life, etc. again I am not proposing abuse of prisoners.

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What we must understand is that most of the inmates will get out and they will not be prepared.
Would you hire one?
Yes, when I ran a manufacturing company years ago I hired quite a few and had no regrets, in an interview you can usually tell who wants to work and who does not, ex-inmate or someone who has never been in the system.

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Military personnel sacrifice their comforts willingly. Do they serve in harsh conditions? Yes, but, not for 3-5 years at a time.
Shalom
and criminals do not commit crimes willingly? And know the consequences that their willing actions will result in? Your argument on that is a little flawed.....

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    05-12-2012, 08:58 PM
  #17
Showing
SouthernTrailsGA already said it better than I'd do.

There are different reasons for people to get to the jail. But I agree crime for the most parts is not something the person is forced to do - they chose to do it. Lots and lots of people come from poor/abusive families, still honestly start life working their a*s off to get a chance in life. They don't sell drugs or rob the convenience store for easy money.

P.S. Of course, life is not all black and white. And I can see the situation when, say, the younger person was forced to participate in robbery. I think in this case such person does need protection and help. But those are more of an exception than something common.
     
    05-12-2012, 10:49 PM
  #18
Trained
Prisons are full of people who are impoverished, minority, uneducated, and have issues with drugs and alcohol. They have for the most part received no positive reinforcement in their lives.
These issues along with high unemployment among minorities has resulted in high crime rates in that portion of soceity.
Without addressing these issues locking some one up is not going to solve anything.
Once they are released these issues will resurface again.
The inmate will most likely return to his old enviroment and commit more crimes.
If all we do is punish the inmates then we might as well lock the majority ofthem up for the rest of their lives. Shalom
     
    05-12-2012, 11:50 PM
  #19
Foal
The majority of of inmates who are sent to Sheriff Joe's prison are very low level offenders, not hardened criminals. Teaching a person caught with a a couple joints or a gram of cocaine to not be caught with it again by sending them to prison is not difficult, because they are not seriously committed to a criminal lifestyle prior to being incarcerated. The offender made a bad judgement call on a Friday night, that's it. Encouraging a serious offender to not turn back to crime after being released is an entirely different challenge, which Sheriff Joe's "methods" would be completely ineffective against. Serious offenders need to be given a real alternative to crime, which an education provides.

The pink boxers and stripes is ridiculous, there's no logic behind it.

If I were an inmate, I would rather not be in a prison which provides pornography. Rape is a very real and common occurrence in prison, I'd rather my fellow inmates not be given any.... encouragement.
     
    05-13-2012, 12:08 AM
  #20
Banned
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
All human need something to relieve stress in their lives.
Recreation is as important as work or rest to function normally.
Most of these inmates will reenter soceity at some point.
Without improving their self esteem or learning skills that will help them be full fledged members or soceity they will reoffend.
Allowing them to watch pornography is probably conterproductive.
Yes they should be punished. Without relieving the stress and boredom of prison inmates become more violent and disruptive.
Treating them as Sherriff Joe does is barbaric in my opinion. Shalom
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