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        05-13-2012, 09:36 AM
      #31
    Trained
    If I offended anyone that is not my concern.
    As a Mental Health Professional I base my theory on the mental health of the inmate.
    Without treating the underlying issues that they carry with them into prison you have only punished them. Not solved the problem.
    I do know this the inmates who access programs that help them transition back into soceity are successful.
    The support they receive both in and out of prison is important to changing their lives.
    If anyone thinks that being poor, minority , an abused and negelected child have no bearing on your life then you have your head in the sand.
    I am not concerned about what they did, or how long they served a sentence. My concern is about what caused them to caommit a crime and how to prevent it.
    I have lived ion a few different countries in my life.
    Israel being one of them and a few in Europe.
    Their crime rates are no where near what our are they imprison far fewer people than we do.
    Our current Criminal Justice System is a joke something must change.
    Shalom
         
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        05-13-2012, 09:43 AM
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    To those of you who doubt my sincerity about executing violent criminals, don't.

    Give me a yard full of violent convicts, a firing squad, and I'll guarantee 0% repeat offenders.

    Like dbarabians, I don't care what they did or how long they've been in. Unlike him, I don't care WHY they did it. I only care than they never hurt anyone else again.
         
        05-13-2012, 09:48 AM
      #33
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    As a Mental Health Professional I base my theory on the mental health of the inmate.
    Theory? Do you have some facts to back it up?

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    Without treating the underlying issues that they carry with them into prison you have only punished them. Not solved the problem.
    The underlying issue is lack of character and morals. Good luck with that.

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    I do know this the inmates who access programs that help them transition back into soceity are successful.
    How about a source for the data that proves your point?

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    The support they receive both in and out of prison is important to changing their lives.
    You've been told, by people who deal with inmates day in and day out, that they actively PREFER a life of crime and prison as it is easier than an honest life. More "support" isn't going to cure that lack of character.

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    If anyone thinks that being poor, minority , an abused and negelected child have no bearing on your life then you have your head in the sand.
    More excuses.
         
        05-13-2012, 09:53 AM
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    We are discussing humans here not rabid dogs.
    As far as I am concerned those who use criminal violence on the law abiding are no better than rabid dogs. And I consider the remedy the same in both cases.
         
        05-13-2012, 10:05 AM
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    ...If anyone thinks that being poor, minority , an abused and negelected child have no bearing on your life then you have your head in the sand...

    And if anyone thinks those obstacles cannot be overcome, they have THEIR head in the sand.

    Db, you need to take your rose colored glasses off and ask yourself why some people do escape and some people don't. I hate to be the one to tell you, but some people are of good character and some are not.

    I am all for helping those of good character dig their way out - I have spent a good portion of my life doing just that. But as far as the ones of poor character, I have no sympathy for them. Their m.o. Is predictable and consistent...in and out of rehab, in and out of prison, always "wanting" to reform, yet constantly backsliding into the whirlpool, give them a chance and they screw it up, give them another and they screw that up too...and so it goes...

    You are being a bit condescending on this particular topic, intimating that because you are a social worker you know more than anyone else, and your opinions "count" more, and that is baloney. As I said earlier, I have worked in basically the same community as you have, and I and most people have friends and family in similar circumstances as the people you work with - it's not like you are the only enlightened one and the rest of us are flailing in the darkness.

    You can lead a horse to water... You are trained to keep leading the horse to water time after time, whether it is productive or not. I, on the other hand, am willing to lead the horse to water, but when the horse won't drink even after I shove his nose in it I am not going to waste my time or effort or money time after time...
         
        05-13-2012, 10:09 AM
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    If I offended anyone that is not my concern.
    Not offended, too busy laughing lol.....

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    As a Mental Health Professional I base my theory on the mental health of the inmate.
    You still have side stepped the issue of what about victims rights... do you have no empathy for them or is it all one sided?

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    Without treating the underlying issues that they carry with them into prison you have only punished them. Not solved the problem.
    I do know this the inmates who access programs that help them transition back into soceity are successful. The support they receive both in and out of prison is important to changing their lives.
    Repeating myself and others, the problem is a lack of respect for others, it is easier to steal than to work.....

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    If anyone thinks that being poor, minority , an abused and negelected child have no bearing on your life then you have your head in the sand.
    Head in a sand?, pot calling the kettle black, you still are negating the fact that 90% of people in poverty do not commit crimes. Just a liberal excuse.

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    I am not concerned about what they did, or how long they served a sentence. My concern is about what caused them to caommit a crime and how to prevent it.
    Already covered many times.

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    I have lived ion a few different countries in my life.
    Israel being one of them and a few in Europe.
    Their crime rates are no where near what our are they imprison far fewer people than we do.
    If you lived in other Countries you should already realize Criminals are not molly coddled in most Countries, they serve hard time, you should also know Prisons in the US are a resort compared to most Foreign Prisons.

    If the reason for less Criminals in other Countries was all about Mental Health Issues and Physiological Theories, do you not think the US would have adopted those measures and our Criminal population would be cut dramatically?

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        05-13-2012, 10:13 AM
      #37
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    Now faceman .. everyone know if you lead a horse to water and he repeatedly refuses to drink ... you call the vet! You walked right into that one .... lol.

    On moral character .. it also explains why so many privileged people repeatedly break the law .. despite their privileged upbringing ... the difference being, they have the means and power to stay out of prison ...

    Dba, I understand your view .. the the place from which you are coming. I disagree with almost every argument you have ....

    Having said that .. you are STILL my favorite Texas liberal .. *smile*
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        05-13-2012, 10:25 AM
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    privileged people repeatedly break the law .. despite their privileged upbringing
    True,

    I guess these Criminals came from underprivileged home .... Pablo Escobar, Dennis Kozlowski, Al Capone, Amado Fuentes, Leona Helmsy, Brian Wright, Anthony Salerno, Bernie Madoff


    Criminals come from all walks of life............

    Edited... but some do not believe us :)



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        05-13-2012, 10:36 AM
      #39
    Trained
    DH-you would appear to be more concerned with the offenders than the victims. That is what I have an issue with. I have this vision of someone robbing you at gunpoint, and you trying to counsel them as they rob you blind. What color IS the sky in your world?

    Just so we are clear, I do not wish you any harm, just find you very naive. And others are correct. The crime rates ARE lower in other countries because the convicts are not mollycoddled with cable TV and 3 squares a day.
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        05-13-2012, 10:37 AM
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    Originally Posted by texasgal    
    Having said that .. you are STILL my favorite Texas liberal .. *smile*
    Haha...at least he speaks his mind and is honest and you know where he stands. I hate those sneaky liberals that pretend to be normal rational people () but then go into the voting booth and vote with their left hand...
         

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