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    05-15-2012, 12:32 PM
  #71
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Pedophiles are wired different they are attracted to young people as you or I would be attracted to blonds or dark hair or what ever. There is no real cure so to say for it, a few benefit from long term therapy but most don't.
     
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    05-15-2012, 12:36 PM
  #72
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
Pedophiles are wired different they are attracted to young people as you or I would be attracted to blonds or dark hair or what ever.
Interesting to know. Is there any research on it by any chance? I'd think it's a mental deviation (if this is a right word to use).
     
    05-15-2012, 01:01 PM
  #73
Green Broke
I'll agree that pedophiles are wired different .. and may be attracted to young people, however it doesn't go hand in hand with knowing right from wrong.

I might be attracted to, say, my sister's husband, or my cousin, or my boss, but my moral compass tells me that I am not an animal that has to act on my impulses, and that it would be inappropriate to act on my "attraction" .. so I don't.

They KNOW it's wrong .. that's why they hide it ..

I don't believe they've linked the "I'm attracted to little boys" gene with the "I can't control my impulses" gene.

Imo
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    05-15-2012, 01:09 PM
  #74
Yearling
There's tons of research on it out there. Texasgal I really don't know if it's genetic, I believe it's more environmental, most of the ones I worked with had some event in their childhood, and as you said they all had no impulse control. And most will reoffend when released from prison.
     
    05-15-2012, 01:16 PM
  #75
Yearling
I should clarify my statement above I'm talking about true pedophiles, there are different classifications of sex offenders. In my experience there is no fixing true pedophiles and serial rapists. There is a difference in say a high school relationship where the girl is underage and the boy over, these types of cases rarely reoffend sexually anyway.
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    05-15-2012, 04:31 PM
  #76
Weanling
Does it matter if it's genetic? Seems to me that that would be one place that science could be useful in eliminating certain genes.

I do know that there was a study done a while back that indicated that all of these "tough" laws regarding sexual predators were actually contributing to these victims being killed. When someone is getting a life sentence anyway, they (the predators) were basically coming to the conclusion that it was better to kill the witnesses (victims) than it was to let them go and be able to testify.
     
    05-15-2012, 05:01 PM
  #77
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Interesting to know. Is there any research on it by any chance? I'd think it's a mental deviation (if this is a right word to use).
I don't know if there is any research that is conclusive. And I don't believe for a minute it is "genetic" in the truest sense of the word.

Pedaphilia is defined, as near as I can tell, by a person beyond puberty having sex with a person who has not reached puberty. Now I don't think it is any secret that men are attracted sexually to young women/girls in their very late teens and early 20's...and it is no secret why...we have an instinct to be attracted to women in their prime child bearing age - that is simple biology and instinct. But being attracted to a prepubescent girl is, in my opinion, a mental deviation as you say. That goes beyond the natural attraction to younger women and into a zone that cannot be explained or justified by natural instincts. As to what causes a person to be that deviant, I haven't a clue as I have not studied it in depth. As to men that are attracted to prepubescent boys, I don't think either my logic or imagination can even take me close enough to that to consider the reasons - it is just too far in outer space for me.

From everything I have heard and read, and I am certainly no expert and haven't read everything, the consensus appears to be that pedophiles cannot be "cured", but can only suppress their urges - much like an alcoholic has the ability to become and stay sober, but is still physically an alcoholic.

I honestly have no sympathy for pedophiles. Even though they may be deviant and have unnatural urges, no one is holding a gun to their head to force them to act on those urges. We all are given the freedom of choice in our actions by nature and/or a creator. We may have no control over our urges and instincts, but one of the benchmarks of being civilized is to suppress urges which are unacceptable and/or harmful to others. People that are unable to suppress dangerous instincts or urges are IMO not fit to live freely in society and should be removed. I think it is only fair to give a first and only time offendor the opportunity to prove themselves after serving a prison term, but for multiple or repeat offendors, I'm afraid I fall into the castrate and lock them up and throw away the key crowd. To me, there is no greater folly or idiocy of society than to parole or release a murderer or child molestor only to see them find another victim and repeat their crime. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a hard a$$ when it comes to child molestors...
     
    05-15-2012, 10:33 PM
  #78
Trained
Alexs S you can call me a she It doesn't make me one and I've been called a lot of things by different people and some of it was indeed true. LOL
My masculinity is intact. Though on this forum gelding does seem to be very popular. LOL
There are different levels of sex offenders. A lot of people that are convicted of low level offenses can be treated.
Sexual predators however have very little chance of reforming.
Castration does not reduce the urge in some cases just the ability.
I have had good success with those with low level risks. Using a combination of medication and cognitive therapy.
Not so with child molesters or rapist.
Of these I have had a few clients and they made my skin crawl.
TaMMa and Alex I agree. Prevention should be part of the solution as well as support after the sentence has been served.
Yes the there are studies showing that serial sexual predators have become more violent since harsher sentences have been instituted.
The problem with hardened sexual criminals is they do not remain locked up and are released back into soceity.
As I posted I have been assaulted. Three young men are serving time.
I beleive they deserve it and I hope they will learn from their time served and will enter soceity as changed individuals.
Faceman, alcohol and drugs are mind altering chemicals.

Most people that abuse them are trying to escape the reality of their lives for whatever reason.
The disease of addiction is not some symptom of a moral weakness or lack of character. How different individuals respond to the issues that occur in their lives depends a lot on how they perceive the world they live in. The events that have shaped their lives as well as their emotional and mental well being.
If it were a case of moral weakness alcohol and drug addiction would not IMO be as widespread and as devasting.
OH and about zoloft and prozac I think that they should put it in the drinking water. . Shalom
     
    05-15-2012, 11:43 PM
  #79
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The disease of addiction is not some symptom of a moral weakness or lack of character. How different individuals respond to the issues that occur in their lives depends a lot on how they perceive the world they live in. The events that have shaped their lives as well as their emotional and mental well being.
If it were a case of moral weakness alcohol and drug addiction would not IMO be as widespread and as devasting.
OH and about zoloft and prozac I think that they should put it in the drinking water. . Shalom
We disagree on some things, agree on others, but in this case it is not a matter of opinion.

When an alcoholic dries out and becomes sober, he (or she) becomes rational - at least if they haven't been on skid row for 40 years and their brain is pickled. Assuming he has passed the point of denial and knows he is an alcoholic he knows very well what will happen when he takes that drink. As the good Father we both know of once said, first the man takes a drink, then the drink takes a drink then the drink takes the man. When a sober alcoholic takes up drinking again, it is INDEED a weakness in character. Whatever reason causes them to not be able to cope with life is irrelevant. All of us have issues in our lives. People of strong character cope with life's ups and downs. People of weak character cannot cope.

I am fully aware that alcoholism is a disease. I am also fully aware alcohol and drugs are mind altering - I am not stupid. But I am not living in a fantasy world either. A sober alcoholic picks up his next drink because he does not have the moral character, pride, and backbone not to...pure and simple.

I do not disrespect those that have the disease. But I have no respect for those that return to drinking after being sober. I do not believe we were put on this Earth to be led through life by the hand, and under the influence of mind altering drugs - be they alcohol, illegal, or PRESCRIBED mind altering drugs. There was a time when man faced life's daily challenges, and it is both sad and disgusting to look around and see that so many of us have become lumps of jelly that must have outside help to hold our shape. As a society, we are shells of what we once were - weak, brittle, fragile shells.

As to your last statement, I certainly hope that was meant tongue in cheek...
     
    05-16-2012, 08:12 AM
  #80
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
A lot of people that are convicted of low level offenses can be treated.
You do realize that a lot of the people who are convicted of lower level sex crimes are teenagers who had sex with their underaged boyfriend/girlfriend and got in trouble with that person's parents? So do they need to be treated for a mental disease?
     

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