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        05-16-2012, 09:27 AM
      #81
    Trained
    Faceman, you are not without intelligence. In fact you have an abundance of it. If any of my post imply that I apologize.
    The two of us will disagree on many things. Not because either of us is wrong we view things from different angles.
    The main thing about treating addiction is that the addict must desire change in his life. Complete change. They must make a clean break from most of the people they know, the way they think, and their enviroment.
    One alcoholic put it very well " you must change the faces and the places around you".
    I'm not trying to change how you think about this. Just explaining how I do.
    I think that is what I like about our conversations and others on this forum. We have our opinions, yet we try and understand the opinions of others. Mostly.
    About the zoloft statement, yes It was meant in jest. I do feel a lot of people could benefit from such medication at some point in their lives.
    These type of drugs do not in themselves cure the problem. They are very important tools in helping people with emotional issues. If used in conjunction with other forms of treatment.
    There are drugs that will not allow an addict to get high if they abuse other drugs. They are used in the treatment of herion addiction with great success.
    Most addicts do not have access to insurance to get treatment or the medication. Shalom
         
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        05-16-2012, 09:34 AM
      #82
    Foal
    If your in Prison you lose your civil rights. Too me Prison should have you do some work for the local area "state" clearing up trash etc. Prison should not be a way of life that you sit on your butt and get fat.

    The fact Prison has cable TV is WRONG! Period. If they want to do something relaxing they can talk to each other and give each other hugs. Get a newspaper or books and get them some courses that could get them a trade job when they leave Prison. Though working is good for them too because your out doing something productive.

    Though prison needs to be not so welcoming but safe. Otherwise some folks be happy stay in a simple life style not to worry about rent or food or healthcare etc.

    If the Prison guards get power tripping then where you have a department to make sure they don't run around thinking they own the place or be above the law. Which sadly some police department act that way and sadly too much covering up than making sure cops and prison guards keep a professional standards. BTW I do like cops and I know some cops in US and UK but there are bad ones that get away with it even if it's on youtube.

    Like I was outraged about the European human right courts saying Voting is a human Right which is not. It is a civil right not a human right. So folks in the UK now can vote in elections when as they are in prisons. When they leave the prisons and done there time you can vote again. Of course people in UK and government weren't too happy about the EU imposing this on us.
         
        05-16-2012, 10:11 AM
      #83
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    The main thing about treating addiction is that the addict must desire change in his life. Complete change. They must make a clean break from most of the people they know, the way they think, and their enviroment.
    One alcoholic put it very well " you must change the faces and the places around you".
    I agree completely...but that is my underlying point.

    That is the second time you have alluded to that, and (at least to me) you are contradicting yourself. It takes strength of character to do what you have mentioned above. Only those with that strength of character will succeed. Yet you have stated elsewhere repeatedly that character is not an issue. To list the reasons it takes to become permanently sober, all of which are character issues, and then to turn around and say character is not an issue, is contradictory.

    Your counseling should, or at least I assume it should, have the same objective as the business counseling I have done with women, minorities, and vets...not to teach or preach, but to function as a stimulus to help our clients discover, release, and enhancere their strength of character - to not only understand the opportunities available to them, but to bring the desire to be accepted and to succeed that we all have deep within us to the surface and to draw upon that character to abandon their former train of thought and put forth the effort to achieve whatever goals they may have.

    The whole shooting match revolves around character and inner strength. Without the desire to become sober and the inner strength of character to achieve it an alcoholic cannot and never will recover...
         
        05-16-2012, 12:58 PM
      #84
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    About the zoloft statement, yes It was meant in jest. I do feel a lot of people could benefit from such medication at some point in their lives.
    These type of drugs do not in themselves cure the problem. They are very important tools in helping people with emotional issues.
    See, I think this is wrong. I think we are overmedicated as a society as it is. Instead of teaching kids how to handle disappointment, we medicate them to numb the pain. Instead of teaching self-control and patience, we medicate them into compliance. These kids grow into adults who cannot handle life.
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        05-16-2012, 01:19 PM
      #85
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Horse Poor    
    See, I think this is wrong. I think we are overmedicated as a society as it is. Instead of teaching kids how to handle disappointment, we medicate them to numb the pain. Instead of teaching self-control and patience, we medicate them into compliance. These kids grow into adults who cannot handle life.
    YES!! Omg yes! You guys do over medicate over such simple things in life. I mean people don't feel like they want to get out of bed to work and unhappy means they are suffering depression. So they get meds for it instead of changing their life style...
    I don't know any other country that hits the meds so hard. I am also so surprised but same time angry how much drug company's push on advertisements on anti depressants and other drugs on TV. Let the doctors do there jobs and use what think best not TV ads.
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        05-16-2012, 01:40 PM
      #86
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    Just as a side comment (since this is a horse forum)... One of the counties here created a "horse rescue for inmates" (I did read about it in my local newspaper). Those with rather minor violations are allowed to work with rescued TBs, and the program also teaches them the basics of care, farming (in some way), etc. I've heard it's been quite a successful attempt.
         
        05-16-2012, 01:50 PM
      #87
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Just as a side comment (since this is a horse forum)... One of the counties here created a "horse rescue for inmates" (I did read about it in my local newspaper). Those with rather minor violations are allowed to work with rescued TBs, and the program also teaches them the basics of care, farming (in some way), etc. I've heard it's been quite a successful attempt.
    mm could you get us the link for this? Also I think this could be a good thing as you said farming and animal care. Again this could be used to open a new door of career for them...
         
        05-16-2012, 01:53 PM
      #88
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    Originally Posted by northwesten    
    mm could you get us the link for this? Also I think this could be a good thing as you said farming and animal care. Again this could be used to open a new door of career for them...
    north, I'll try to find it, but can't promise (I read it on paper last year, not on-line).
         
        05-16-2012, 01:53 PM
      #89
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    Those with rather minor violations are allowed to work with rescued TBs, and the program also teaches them the basics of care, farming (in some way), etc. I've heard it's been quite a successful attempt.
    Val, TRF does that here in VA. In fact, one of their biggest farms is set right outside the prison, and the inmates not only work with horses, but dairy cattle as well.
         
        05-16-2012, 02:10 PM
      #90
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Val, TRF does that here in VA. In fact, one of their biggest farms is set right outside the prison, and the inmates not only work with horses, but dairy cattle as well.
    SR, I think it's one of those good combinations of stress relief, work, and building skills.

    North, here is a different article I found: Prison Inmates Operate Horse Rescue Farm CBS Baltimore
         

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