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post #11 of 47 Old 07-21-2012, 09:38 PM
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It is odd to me that they keep psychos alive. Have you ever seen anyone keep a dangerous insane animal alive on the basis it was insane and dangerous?

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That's what I wonder as well Missy.
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That's an excellent point, Missy, but that also opens up the debate to human euthanasia and the whole Dr Kevorkian thing. Of course, I have my own opinions about both those situations, but I tend to avoid discussing them as it can be such a sensitive topic.

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It is odd to me that they keep psychos alive. Have you ever seen anyone keep a dangerous insane animal alive on the basis it was insane and dangerous?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... That's stepping into dangerous territory. Because a person is sick (mental illness) they don't deserve to live? The problem with mental disorders is stereotypes like this one.... condemning without knowing what's truly going on.
The brain is an amazing, marvelous machine.. but things can go wrong with the wiring. Have you ever had an episode where the "wiring" went a little haywire? Once as a child I ran a very high fever... that fever induced a hallucination that I now realize was not real, but it ****ed well felt real while it was happening! I heard a voice telling me to pack my bags for the family vacation we were going on the following month... so I did! I've never had anything like that happen since that fever-induced, completely unharmful event, but I will never forget the power that the hallucination had. Sometimes our neurons misfire or are connected wrong; for instance, some people "taste" sharp (which should be a feeling) or "hear" colors.
Anyways, I guess what I'm getting at is that with the complexity of the human brain, it isn't all that far out for some peoples' to be ... connected wrong, or for a disorder to cause a human to do things that rational, healthy minds couldn't imagine doing.
These people, the ones truly suffering from a mental disorder, need help. They're not living cushy lives when they deal with these issues; I couldn't even imagine how hard it is to live with such a disabling disorder, or try to get it under control.

.... now premeditated murder is another thing completely.


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Insanity, Temporary Insanity or whatever Scientific name you want to label someone with, the bottom line when it leads to Murder, the person or persons are dead!

"curing them" does not bring back the people, punishment should be forever, a jury of your peers should decide if it is death or life in prison.

Thinks about it, anyone that takes another human life unless it is self-defense of themselves or others has to be crazy, insane or just does not give a flip, lawyers and others have come up with way to many excuses to excuse Murder.

It is absurd the way society has become intolerant to a human life being lost.
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Anyone killing others "just because" (not in self-defense) has mental issues, the question is whether it's indeed a "moment" (and as sad as it is I can see it happen in certain situations) or something planned. If latter there is absolutely no excuse for what was done. Whether you call it insane, mental issue, full of sh**t, or whatever else.

I do agree that some mental issues are treatable with medications or just take time to resolve itself (after-birth depression is one of them). But if the every-day medications are the only way to keep the person somewhat normal, what if the person forgets to take those medications (or just doesn't have money to buy them) for several days in row? What is the possibility there will be another victim on a way just because he/she heard "voices" again? I've read such stories about people released from the mental facility who did kill again, and it's scary. How can one decide if the person is (potentially) dangerous?

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But then we come to the whole discussion of justice, and why we have punishment. Do we use it for for revenge or correction, if revenge then an eye for an eye or something else. If it is correction, then those who have one psychotic episode, could be treated, cured and not be any danger again
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.... That's stepping into dangerous territory. Because a person is sick (mental illness) they don't deserve to live? The problem with mental disorders is stereotypes like this one.... condemning without knowing what's truly going on.
The brain is an amazing, marvelous machine.. but things can go wrong with the wiring. Have you ever had an episode where the "wiring" went a little haywire? Once as a child I ran a very high fever... that fever induced a hallucination that I now realize was not real, but it ****ed well felt real while it was happening! I heard a voice telling me to pack my bags for the family vacation we were going on the following month... so I did! I've never had anything like that happen since that fever-induced, completely unharmful event, but I will never forget the power that the hallucination had. Sometimes our neurons misfire or are connected wrong; for instance, some people "taste" sharp (which should be a feeling) or "hear" colors.
Anyways, I guess what I'm getting at is that with the complexity of the human brain, it isn't all that far out for some peoples' to be ... connected wrong, or for a disorder to cause a human to do things that rational, healthy minds couldn't imagine doing.
These people, the ones truly suffering from a mental disorder, need help. They're not living cushy lives when they deal with these issues; I couldn't even imagine how hard it is to live with such a disabling disorder, or try to get it under control.

.... now premeditated murder is another thing completely.
haha, well you are right. I didn't mean just shoot those w a mild case of depression on sight (I can visualize the depression posse). But, I was not at all clear. I meant those that have been convicted of a crime and declared "insane" that would otherwise face the death penalty are kept alive on the sole basis they are insane.

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If it is correction, then those who have one psychotic episode, could be treated, cured and not be any danger again
That's a very risky "could" though.

Which is why we're left in this predicament.. IMOP.

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But then we come to the whole discussion of justice, and why we have punishment. Do we use it for for revenge or correction, if revenge then an eye for an eye or something else. If it is correction, then those who have one psychotic episode, could be treated, cured and not be any danger again
GH, I think it depends on circumstances. But again it depends on what you mean by "revenge". Putting the guy who killed/injured so many in Colorado to death would not be a revenge, I think that would be a correction still, otherwise he can sit and take medications in a mental facility for, say, 5 years, get released, and kill someone else.

BTW, I'm not positive everyone with mental issue(s) (even if it's just one episode) is treatable to complete health.

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