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        11-11-2013, 09:13 AM
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    Green Broke
    Lest we forget..

    Not sure about everyone's different time zones, but held our 2 minute silence at 1100 (and again at 1200 due to the time difference in the UK).

    Always moves me listening to the last post, but when I read this I was blubbering all over the place

    BBC News - Hundreds attend war veteran's funeral after newspaper ad

    Restores faith in humanity.

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
    Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
    They fell with their faces to the foe.

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
    We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
    They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
    They sleep beyond England's foam
         
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        11-12-2013, 01:36 AM
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    Super Moderator
    Daffy, I agree it is a wonderful poem.
    However there is no time difference in the UK - we are on Greenwich Meantime, in the summer for daylight saving we are on British Summer Time. Not all countries in Europe alter to BST and we observe two minutes silence at 11.00 a.m. On Remembrance Sunday and again on the eleventh of the elevens.
    One minute for WW1and the other for WW2.
         
        11-12-2013, 02:02 AM
      #3
    Green Broke
    I am an hour ahead in Germany. We paid our respects with out German colleagues at 1100 our time (+1) and then again at 1200. I work in a military base, but we link in with the UK.
         
        11-12-2013, 02:25 AM
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    Most folks in the US don't realize that our Veterans' Day, is originally Armistice Day, and marks the end of WWI, at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, 1918, to mark the end of the war that they thought would be the end of all wars. It' original meaning would be more powerfully felt in Europe, where the level of destruction, and loss of life was beyond belief by today's standards of war.
         
        11-12-2013, 02:37 AM
      #5
    Weanling
    [QUOTE=tinyliny;4081762]most folks in the US don't realize that our Veterans' Day, is originally Armistice Day, and marks the end of WWI[QUOTE]

    That is true for most. My hubby yesterday (Veteran's Day) sent this note out to some fellow general aviation pilots thanking them for helping his Experimental Aircraft Association Chapter fly over 30 Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps young adults as part of the EAA's Young Eagles program:

    Last, this is a very important day. As a child it was a day to celebrate the end of WWI, It's now a day to pay tribute to a great group, our veterans, as they gave and continue to give us our freedom. "HAPPY VETERANS DAY"
    PS: I have always been proud of being RA (Regular Army).

    I also thanked my husband for his service to our country as he was both Army and Air Force as well as served in the Korean War.
         
        11-12-2013, 05:35 AM
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    I think that perhaps the US honour their military more than the UK do. I have seen civilians put a hand across their chest when military personal walkathon. Never seen that in the UK.

    War is a terrible thing and since WW2 has changed a lot. No longer is it a matter of recognising the enemy by their uniform, it is dirty and subtrofuge and must be far more stressful than way back.

    Regardless of what a persons feelings are over a war, all soldiers should be recognised and respected for the job they do.

    What is more, they should be cared for far more when they return to civilian life than they are.
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        11-12-2013, 07:22 AM
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    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    I think that perhaps the US honour their military more than the UK do. I have seen civilians put a hand across their chest when military personal walkathon. Never seen that in the UK.

    War is a terrible thing and since WW2 has changed a lot. No longer is it a matter of recognising the enemy by their uniform, it is dirty and subtrofuge and must be far more stressful than way back.

    Regardless of what a persons feelings are over a war, all soldiers should be recognised and respected for the job they do.

    What is more, they should be cared for far more when they return to civilian life than they are.

    Not sure about the US, but some of the stories about how the UK treat their veterans and serving soldiers makes me fume. The Sgt who was given his brown envelope to discharge three days before he is entitled to a full army pention.. after serving for TWENTY TWO years.

    Or the amount of soldiers that do not receive the after care for PTSD etc.

    I have military friends, who when they return to the UK on leave, are refused entry to clubs and bars if they show military ID as proof of age (a many don't drive, and losing a passport would be bad bad bad).

    Not to mention the amount of ex-soldiers that are left to their own devices when they leave and end up on the streets.
         
        11-12-2013, 09:05 AM
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    Like with many things in the UK, the help is there but you have to know how to go about getting it.

    My Father fought all through WW2, got out of Dunkirk at the start, then later, went through the N. Africa campaigne, into Scicily and then Italy. At the end of the seven years, nearly five of those without getting back to the UK, he was given 75 gratuity and a demob suit!
    There was no such thing as PTS though, after WW1 she'll shock was beginning to be recognised. (Many soldiers who suffered it were shot as deserters or cowards and a few years ago most were 'forgiven' and the black mark against them erased)

    I know my Dad would never talk about the war as such. He told many very funny amusing things that happened and once said to my questions that they were either bored stiff or petrified.

    Even so many men were altered by what they saw and did, they had no help at all and had to cope the best they could.

    Since war has changed stress levels have to be higher. Not knowing of a child,woman or anyone walking towards a camp is a moving bomb has to be stressful.

    The awful thing is that in the forces the average soldier has to take command and becomes 'institutionalised' so coming home to chivvy street, having to make decisions when there are pictures flashing through your mind has to tell sooner or later.

    It seems from what I have read and researched that the US did not learn anything from the Vietnam war over treatment of its soldiers and, Britain is close behind.

    I salute those in the forces and thank them past and present. It were not for them then none of us would be as we are today.

    God Bless them all and please help them in times of trouble.
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        11-12-2013, 11:42 AM
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    Yearling
    It's different to see how other countries have Remembrance Day (I am Canadian), honestly most kids don't know that it marks the end of WW1. I remember the veterans from both WWs when I was little as well as the other wars (Korean, etc).
         
        11-12-2013, 01:56 PM
      #10
    Super Moderator
    Let's remember that those that served, but didn't die serving, are just as deserving of respect. The ones that die may be honored, but those that did not die in battle , did their time and went on, are just as much veterans.
         

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