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    07-08-2012, 02:44 PM
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I think the way he makes fun of his father and posts it on YT is disgusting.
I wouldn't call it disgusting, but I don't find it funny personally.
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    07-08-2012, 02:48 PM
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Just out of curiosity, do you really think if African-Americans stop using that term right this minute it would change the feelings of people who discriminate and hate them for the color of their skin?
I think it's quite a lame example. Personally I don't like term "African-American" at all. They are American. Or they are not. I think this term especially wrong if you were born here: what "African" has to do with it at all then? Because using it clearly mean calling the race.

In fact it always irks me that lots of companies ask to fill that race/ethnicity form. That is the first step to separate people based on their color/appearance. And we talk about being "political correct"!
     
    07-08-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I think the way he makes fun of his father and posts it on YT is disgusting.
Maybe not disgusting, but definitely disrespectful.
     
    07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I think it's quite a lame example. Personally I don't like term "African-American" at all. They are American. Or they are not. I think this term especially wrong if you were born here: what "African" has to do with it at all then? Because using it clearly mean calling the race.

In fact it always irks me that lots of companies ask to fill that race/ethnicity form. That is the first step to separate people based on their color/appearance. And we talk about being "political correct"!
I'm not African-American so I have no say what someone calls themselves. Terms and labels are always changing and it's very individual.
     
    07-08-2012, 07:13 PM
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Tiny - If you watch his other videos his dad is totally supportive and finds it really funny too.:'D Most of the time he is in on it and helps Kevin with his youtube videos. :)
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    07-08-2012, 07:25 PM
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That's good to hear! I wondered how he got that stuff past his dad.
     
    07-09-2012, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I think it's quite a lame example. Personally I don't like term "African-American" at all. They are American. Or they are not. I think this term especially wrong if you were born here: what "African" has to do with it at all then? Because using it clearly mean calling the race.

In fact it always irks me that lots of companies ask to fill that race/ethnicity form. That is the first step to separate people based on their color/appearance. And we talk about being "political correct"!

I find it personally offensive that they ask for this information as well. But companies nowadays have to prove they are not racist by having a certain percentage of minorities. They have to prove they are not withholding employment based on race, gender, etc.

I understand it, to a point. I know the cause is right, and that there hearts are in the right place trying to protect minorities. However, I think it alienates the minorities even more. If a company needs to hire a new employee, and they have say 2 applicants, one is black and one is white. They are both equally qualified, but since the company knows it will look better for them to have more minority status, they hire the black man without digging deeper. Is that racism, or is that promoting a minority? Can one promote a minority without being racist towards a majority?

To me, these sort of things create a double standard. You cannot be equal by promoting a minority necessarily, because you inadvertently put down the other race, the majority.

Of course in a perfect world, the person would be hired based on only their qualifications and what they can do for the company. No gender, sexual orientation, or race. It is hard to do, and its a delicate balance, but I am not in favor of the current system of having to fill out race on college applications, scholarship applications, jobs, etc. I think it irrelevant to ask such questions.
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    07-09-2012, 12:53 PM
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I am old enough to remember the whites only signs and riots of the 60's.
Living in the Deep South at that time is etched in my memory.
My father was in the military and I could not understand the issues because we lived next to people of all races.
The small town I live outside of until the early 1970's had a sign that said You are Now entering Coon Town Texas as you turned into the area where ALL the blacks lived. You had to turn down this road to go to our house and still do.
It is still sometimes referred to as that.
Racism exist and it is good that MOST people have little to no problems with it.
That does not mean that it is still not a powerful and harmful force in this country.
I have been told that ------ steal lie and cheat. That ----- are lazy and stupid, recently.
Just because we wish it to go away doesn't mean that it has.
Missy May I commend you for looking beyond race and seeing the individual that exist. Everyone does not think like you and that is the problem. Shalom
     
    07-09-2012, 01:05 PM
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Lakotababi the playing field is not equal yet.
Economically and educationally minorities are lagging the whites in this country.
Hopefully there will be a day when race creed religion and sexual orientation do not matter.
However presently they still do.
Being jewish has been both an advantage and disadvantage in my life.
I have gotten jobs and promoted because of being jewish. This was in Israel and the US.
I have also been harrassed and denied promotions for the same reasons.
Once in a review for a promotion in the USAF I was questioned about my loyalty to the US versus Israel.
I have also been criticized for not attending Christmas celebrations in both the military and the private sector. My being a team player was questioned.
It is good that we discuss race and that we as a soceity confront racism.
That is the way to end it and repair the wounds it has inflicted in this country. Shalom
     
    07-09-2012, 01:58 PM
  #20
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Dbarabians, I am not saying that racism doesn't exist anymore, as that would be a ludicrous statement. Unfortunately, racism will most likely always exist.

My point is that it is no better to promote one race, just for being that one race, than it is to hold prejudice against the same people. It is not necessarily fixing the problem, but only exacerbating it.

Everyone comes across issues with prejudice/hate/discrimination. They need to be dealt with, yes. But putting a blanket assumption on all peoples for someone else's hate is not the right way to go about it.

I feel the same way about hate crimes. I understand why it is a law. There were many horrendous and disgusting things done to many different races throughout America's (and the worlds) history. It is undeniably wrong to harm someone for being different than yourself. However, the laws against hate crime have repercussions that were unintentional. You can get charged with a hate crime for doing something against a minority, even if you didn't do it just because of their status. So lets say a black person is killed and a white person is killed. The perp in both cases is white. The case against the person who killed the white person would be murder. However, the case against the person who killed the black person would be murder AND a hate crime, most likely.

So what does that say about us as a nation? Do we believe it worse to kill a minority member than a majority member? Why can't people just be people? And I know I am going to get the response of "because we are still not equal in this country," once again, I understand that, but is tipping the scale the other way really fixing the problem of making it harder for those who aren't actually racist?

So basically equality is equality is equality. I'm all for it. But promoting one race, even if it is unintended, is by definition not equality.

Does anyone else see where I am coming from? Yes these laws/policies/beliefs make sense, but they have many "side effects" sort of speak.
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