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        05-31-2012, 06:08 AM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Bearkiller    
    Pure BS. There are absolutely no provable statistics that back that up. Nothing but liberal talking points. Mush brain philosophy, if you will. You really need to consider a new profession. Your current one is clearly inhibiting your critical thinking skills. I personally know of 2 people, both in her part of the world who have been saved by guns in their purse. I'd rather have it and not need than need it and not have it. I know, it goes against what you push onto the more gullible people of our society but there is nothing wrong with being prepared, in any situation. Then again, I guess if more 20 year old girls had the means to defend themselves, you'd have fewer criminals to "rehabilitate"?
    In the UK nobody carries a gun. You can probably count the number of shootings in the whole country on one hand in a year, how's that for statistics?
    But I can appreciate that as the streets are already awash with guns there's a need to protect yourself. If I genuinely felt fear, there'd be nothing could stop me moving somewhere safe.
         
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        05-31-2012, 08:01 AM
      #12
    Trained
    The OP does not have the expertise to use one and 1 course is not going to give it to her.
    Guns in the hands of a frightened person are useless and dangerous.
    Her best line of defense would be to stay alert to any and all activity around her. Shalom
         
        05-31-2012, 09:54 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    The OP does not have the expertise to use one and 1 course is not going to give it to her.
    Guns in the hands of a frightened person are useless and dangerous.
    Her best line of defense would be to stay alert to any and all activity around her. Shalom

    Again, complete hyperbole. You have no PROOF to back up your claim. How does one get experience handling a firearm? Waiting for the police to show up? How did that work out for the 5 people who were shot in the cafe yesterday? I never said to take a course. She should buy a gun and shoot it. ALOT! When she turns 21 she should get a concealed weapons permit. Washington is an easy state to get it.

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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    And, since funding for mental health treatment or care of the homeless is virtually nonexistant , they go untreated and living on the streets. I heard that mental illness had something to do with today's killing.)
    Seattle is one of the top SPENDING cities when it comes to homelessness. How's that working out for them? I agree that Seattle is full of mentally ill people. However, it is the hippies and yuppies who keep voting for the liberal politicians who the truely the mentally ill ones. Keep voting for the same(essentially) people and expect things will get better??????

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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    I do not carry a gun. I am just careful where and when I walk at night.
    So you'll be the one waiting for the cops to show up? Assuming they know to show up? You sound like a victim waiting to happen.
         
        05-31-2012, 10:11 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Crime happens it doesn't matter where you live and all the precautions in the world are not going to keep you safe. You can only control so much.
    It's like riding, you can do everything right and something bad can still happen.
    First step is be aware of your surroundings, people, everything.
    2nd - Do something that will empower you or build your confidence. If taking self defense classes or getting a gun makes you feel safe than do that. (I would take a lot of classes if you get a gun)
    I lived in a large city alone for a long time. I tried a lot of things, but in the end the only thing that helped was prayer and turning my fate over to someone else. I'm not saying that's the answer for everyone, but don't let this make you scared of everything.
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        05-31-2012, 10:11 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Bearkiller any law enforcement agency will tell you that being alert and aware of your surroundings is your best defense.
    It has nothing to do with any ones political views that is just common sense.
    Most crimes do not result in severe violence. That is a fact.
    Access to treatment facilities and programs have been shown to reduce crimes by taking the mentally ill off the streets.
    By the way I have a gun several in fact.
    I would not pull it out without shooting and would hesitate to do so unless I knew I had to protect myself or someone else. Shalom
         
        05-31-2012, 02:28 PM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    The people in this case had no chance at all. They could have had guns on their person, but it would not have prevented them being shot. The killer walked to the door of the cafe, after being asked to leave, turned around and in a split second , shot four persons. In a split second. Having a gun on them would not have stopped him. Yes, another person armed might have been able to kill him, after he killed several people. Wearing a gun will not give you a guarantee of safety. If you carry a gun and think it makes you safe, you are wrong. There are some situations where it might make a difference, but it isn't a blanket guarantee. IN this case, it would have made little difference.

    It didn't make a whit of difference for the four armed police officers who were shot to death in a cafe a few years ago.

    The woman killed in downtown Seattle was car jacked. She had no chance to go for a pistol, not when the man had a gun to her head in miliseconds.

    This man was mentally ill. He had on his record gun violations already, which had been dismissed. That's "liberal" thinking gone wrong , in my opinon. The ease with which people, **** near anyone, can get guns is what's wrong.

    And, though I dont' carry, my family owns two or three guns. So, I am not "gunless".
         
        05-31-2012, 02:56 PM
      #17
    Trained
    My point exactly tiny. In the majority of the situations where you might need a gun for protection it is too late to intervene.
    As for open carry who do you think a gunman is going to shoot first?
    Shalom
         
        05-31-2012, 03:21 PM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    Well, I dont' know about that, because there isnt "thinking" happening when shooting is happening. Only those who are really trained, such as cops, have the presence of mind to really think about who to shoot first when the **** hits the fan. This was a case of a crazy dude who had been told not to come into that cafe any more, he comes in and they ask him to leave, so he shoots.
         
        05-31-2012, 04:08 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    My point exactly tiny. In the majority of the situations where you might need a gun for protection it is too late to intervene.
    As for open carry who do you think a gunman is going to shoot first?
    Shalom
    First of all, I said concealed carry. Not open. But yet again, HYPERBOLE!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    The people in this case had no chance at all. They could have had guns on their person, but it would not have prevented them being shot.
    Again, you have NO proof of that unless they were armed. Which doesn't appear to be the case. You can inject all of the opinion that you want but there have been plenty of case where shooters were stopped by armed citizens. They are all over the place, if you look.
         
        05-31-2012, 06:23 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Bearkiller, by insisting that the opinions of others do not count because they do not fit into your negative beliefs about soceity is called "disqualifying the positive" by therapist like myself. By doing this you assume negative emotions that do not reflect the way things really are.
    People do this to control a healthy debate and and use negative labesl to intimidate the others.
    You are entitled to your opinion and so are we. Shalom
         

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